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Straw men? Where are my straw men? Where did I say, "that's his viewpoint," then destroy that position? When I said that you agree that freedom must be limited somewhere? I backed it up. When I said engineers optimize? I may be a student, but I'm an engineer too. I've worked for design firms, I've w...

Simon, Helius makes a good point. There's a limit to freedom, or else you have pure anarchy. Come to think of it, I know you believe in limits to freedom, because we had an argument recently about what you should do to countries that don't like you. They aren't free to come over and start blowing up...

TDPerk, it can't work that way. As an example, what happens when one of the Libertarians(L) starts violating the patents of the non-libertarian(NL)? The NL system says the person gets fined, then arrested if he doesn't stop. The L system says he can go ahead. Either the guy gets fined, and it's real...

Well, they have a point you know. *Understand, the system we use now (which mostly works most of the time) is based on not leaving people alone. You pay taxes, you get policed, etc. Good or bad, this is what people know and expect. Libertarians want to be left alone, but don't want to move from thei...

Hey guys, I hate to interrupt, but could you move to general? I'd like to see FIOA info on this thread.

I think I've ticked Simon off with my 'cite your sources' comments. Well, turnabout is fair play, so here's my sources on Israel being hard on the heathens. Book of Joshua Book of Judges 1'st and 2'nd Samuel 1'st and 2'nd Kings Full of war and conquering, including phrases like 'leave not one stone ...

<chuckle> The bible doesn't know squat about Moslems. Um, no. Islam appeared after the events of the new testament, if I recall correctly. But Israel did go into killing infidels in a big way. And the crusades are a pretty big clue to the historical christian attitude towards Muslims. Point is, the...

Hitting the terrorists is fine. I've said it before, I say it again, I have no problem with destroying those who've hit you. What I am against is killing those who wish you no harm, just because it's easier than finding the actual enemy. And hoping that bombing those civs reduces the number of terro...

Start by studying history and the Koran. Islam has been at war with all other religions since their inception especially Christians. Start by studying history and the Bible. Christianity has been at war with all other religions since their inception, especially Muslims. Their even at war with thems...

I'd argue it's the other way around - the definition makes no mention of just or unjust, merely the action. So fighting to change someone's mind is not genocide, but the eradication - in whole or part - of the people who submit to an ideology is. Just or not. My biggest problem with the fight in the...

That is correct. He did have something to do with the first attack on the WTC. Hmm. I wasn't familiar with the earlier WTC attacks. I apologize. You know. It just creaps me out the thought of you out there some where reading what I write. So please do me a big favor. Stop reading. It's just a bit o...

Simon, please please please stop double and triple posting. Decide what you want to say, then post once. I can't even explain why, but it drives me nuts. This is what we keep coming back to. The Islamic religion is not at war with you. There are terrorists, it's true. But you're talking about attack...

It is an established rule in international law and American domestic politics. Is is not should be . And since the first world gets to make the rules for now, I think we should be aiming high. Think of it as intelligent self interest; maybe if we convince everybody that carpet bombing won't solve o...

Welp, I guess our conversation has hit a bit of a dead end. I disagree that power should decide who's right. I'd kind of hoped that you'd agree with me, but there it is. Simon, to the best of my knowledge, Iraq had nothing to do with WTC attacks. The official justification was WMDs which never exist...

So are you saying that by making an unprovoked attack on Iraq soil, they have every right to bomb the invading soldiers? Because that's what I'm getting out of the libertarian snake. As you describe it, the John McCain method is just silly. Probably spouted on the campaign trail? Let me phrase my re...