Curious what happened to the argument that this can't possibly be a scam because Rossi is only using his own money
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As you know, because it has been stated several times and confirmed by Defkalion, Rossi does not get paid by Defkalion until after the delivered 1 MW unit is shown to work to specification.
How many times do things have to be repeated for you before they sink in?
Parallel you silly fool. I provided direct references for Hanno and Sven showing that they are neutral on Rossi's device and said they don't know what is happening if anything.... you just lost 2 physicists.
Curious what happened to the argument that this can't possibly be a scam because Rossi is only using his own money
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As you know, because it has been stated several times and confirmed by Defkalion, Rossi does not get paid by Defkalion until after the delivered 1 MW unit is shown to work to specification.
How many times do things have to be repeated for you before they sink in?
I think it is very presumptuous to state irrevocably how Rossi gets paid. You are basing this on his statements. You do not know the full extent of his financial arrangements. On that note, I would assume he is collecting a substantial "salary" funded by his investors (which according to him previously did not exist).
I remain skeptical. I hope it works, but he is doing a bad job of objectively supporting his case. Thus, my inclination is towards scam, but I am not yet fully seated there. However, that said, every new "release" and "Statement" from Rossi tends to push me towards scam.
He could settle this quickly and effectively and still make his billions. It is curious he does not. His history speaks to being repeated more so than not. Whether it is Italian pride, or his pig headedness and greed, who knows, but at the end of the day he seems to be alienating those that could support him (and thus get more money busses faster) and further his financial goals. Cancer treatment my a$$. I listen to him (in Italian and English), I read what he writes (in Italian and English), and I can tell you he smells like a professional used car salesman. It does not surprise me that his primary funding sources are Greek. It is not like Greek businessmen are not known for selfish corruption and greed. Watch the news any given day. The paragons of virtue, they make a fine pairing IMHO.
Curious what happened to the argument that this can't possibly be a scam because Rossi is only using his own money
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As you know, because it has been stated several times and confirmed by Defkalion, Rossi does not get paid by Defkalion until after the delivered 1 MW unit is shown to work to specification.
How many times do things have to be repeated for you before they sink in?
I was referring to the argument that it can't be a scam because only Rossi's money is at risk. There is other money at risk. A lot of it.
Assuming that it is a scam, you can't trust Rossi or Defkalion as a source for information about how Rossi gets paid. Fact is that you don't know Rossi's stake in this newly formed company at all, do you?
Can you tell me what the other company Praxen DefkalionGreen Technologies (Global) Ltd. is? What is Rossi's stake in that? Do they pay Rossi?
FYI, I find it really funny that the 1 MW plant that Rossi keeps saying will be delivered to a 'customer' in Greece apparently is being delivered to Defakalion Green Technologies production plant in Xanthi. They are their own customer. They even say that it is only going to partially heat their facility. We will surely know then, won't we?
Your arguments amount to this. It can't be a scam because Rossi says it is not a scam. Rossi isn't getting paid because Rossi says he isn't getting paid. It works because Rossi says it works.
Curious what happened to the argument that this can't possibly be a scam because Rossi is only using his own money
.
As you know, because it has been stated several times and confirmed by Defkalion, Rossi does not get paid by Defkalion until after the delivered 1 MW unit is shown to work to specification.
How many times do things have to be repeated for you before they sink in?
What would it take for you to believe this is either a scam or miscalculation of the data?
ScottL wrote:Parallel you silly fool. I provided direct references for Hanno and Sven showing that they are neutral on Rossi's device and said they don't know what is happening if anything.... you just lost 2 physicists.
Rossi 6-hour demonstration convinces Swedish experts
April 2011, updated May 2011
On March 29, 2011, a test of a smaller Rossi device was performed. It was attended by two new observers: Hanno Essén, associate professor of theoretical physics and chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society, and Sven Kullander, chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences' Energy Committee. They agree with other independent observers that the device must be producing a nuclear reaction. See NyTeknik: Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction."
I just read Krivit's report #2. It is quite damning. If Krivit is correct (and I see no reason to doubt him), Rossi is clearly a con-man. The following facts suggest such a conclusion.
1) The bogus engineering degree from the diploma mill.
2) The attempt to sell to the U.S. military a thermoelectric device that turned out not to work properly.
3) Rossi appears to have "lifted" Piantelli's patent application and used it as the basis of his own patent application. Krivit brought this issue up in January when he discussed the first Rossi demonstration.
4) Rossi's obfuscation of performance data that in no way compromises the proprietary details of his devices.
What I don't understand is why Focardi and Levi are associating with this guy. Focardi is retired and may have little to loose by participating in such a scam. However, Levi is a respected professor at a respected university. He has a lot to loose if this goes bad.
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[quote="parallel](You can add Christos Stremmenos to the list too.)
How does this support your statement:
As of right now the argument would be the rest of the Physics/Engineering world vs. Rossi and his paper mache doctorate, nothing more.
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Hey Parallel, if I write an article on a blog that says you believe in the Easter Bunny, does that make it official? Ny Tek has twisted the words of these two men and its pretty clear from the video they've said nothing of the sort. Watch the video please. They stated they only have what Rossi says himself and if he is to be believed, then it is possibly nuclear, if he's lying or misinformed, it is not.
Not a single scientist outside of the Rossi Trio has come out and said officially "This thing works!" Ever single one so far has said if Rossi is to be believed, then it might work, however; they have no proof either way.
They agree with other independent observers that the device must be producing a nuclear reaction. See NyTeknik: Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction."
I have watched the video, and this is a clear misrepresentation. They did not say it must be nuclear. They said they do not know. They also said they base a lot of E-Cat's credibility on Levi and Focardi, and other "independant" tests. They believed it warrants a further look. They also said specifically that circumstances would indicate it is not a "total scam", and I thought use of the word "total" was very interesting. In context, for me at least it idicated that they think something could be going on, but they are not saying it is doing what Rossi says it is doing.
The message I got was, "this is worth a closer look, but Rossi won't let us".
ScottL -
I am not defending Rossi but defending Ny Tek. The video of Essén and Kullander you mention was done way before their visit and demo in April.
The effect may be real. Lots of other people, including Piantelli, have been working with Ni-H fusion processes and there is a credible theory to explain it, Widom-Larson theory. However, Rossi is coming across more and more as an outright con-artist.
ScottL, are you the Scott Little of EarthTech? If so, how are things at Earthtech these days?
