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Re: EM Drive

Postby tokamac » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:59 pm


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Re: EM Drive

Postby GIThruster » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:15 pm

Actually no, not the MLT that Sonny renamed the Quantum Vacuum Thruster and pretended produced reliable thrust in order to get funding for his lab. I'm talking about the Shawyer Resonator Sonny and Paul built with Gary Hudson's money back in 2007-8. They got no thrust. They said it was because they could not pull hard enough vacuum in copper, and that may have been true, but it's not what they were saying beforehand, and Sony just ALWAYS has an excuse. Look at what happened with the laser interferometer.

How pathetic to rename an instrument just because you've come up with a novel application. People use interferometers for all kinds of things and don't add their name to it. The issue though, was that Sonny designed an experiment, and used a laser that ought to have given him 4 orders magnitude more resolution than his model said he needed. When it didn't work, he claimed the laser was broken and ordered another, much more expensive one that provided several more orders magnitude resolution. It also did not work, and yet he reported those findings as "non-null".
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Re: EM Drive

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Re: EM Drive

Postby tokamac » Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:32 pm

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Re: EM Drive

Postby birchoff » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:47 pm

Yeah I am too impatient to wait on the papers actually being freely published somewhere when all i need to do is drop 25 bucks to get the ability to read them. That price is too low to prevent my impulse shopping menatility from taking over.... so I shall be spending the evening doing some light reading.

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Re: EM Drive

Postby birchoff » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:32 am

Read both papers from AIAA and as a by stander with nothing to loose if this turns out to be fraud, or poor experimental protocol. It would seem like between the testing carried out by Shawyer, Yang Juan, Guido Fretta/Cannae, and Eagle works labs. It would be very hard to put forth a convincing argument that a propulsion device that doesn't push propellant, as we currently understand it in the known state of the art, out the tail end is not possible.

In short this evidence more than meets my criteria to consider that there is actual smoke here that requires further inspection. Which makes me glad that Eagleworks plans are to build what they call a "breadboard test article" that can be shipped to other locations that are equiped to do "independent verification and validation (IV&V) of the technology"; i.e. JPL and Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory. After they complete their next test campaign.

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Re: EM Drive

Postby birchoff » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:35 am

Also for those interested looks like Shawyer will be publishing a new paper at IAC 2014 called "Second Generation EmDrive Propulsion Applied to SSTO Launcher and Interstellar Probe"

The link below is to the session it has been slotted into

http://www.iafastro.net/iac/browse/IAC- ... aper.21913

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Re: EM Drive

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Re: EM Drive

Postby birchoff » Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:39 am


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Re: EM Drive

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Re: EM Drive

Postby vernes » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:07 am

I noticed this article:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... pace-drive

Couldn't find it here through a quick search so I thought I'd just post it.

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Re: EM Drive

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Re: EM Drive

Postby birchoff » Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:30 pm

Interesting... I skimmed through the Cannae test setup in the eagle works paper and it looks like the only thing on the torsion pendulum is the Cannae drive cavity. from the electrical schematic included it also looks like the power supply was outside the vacuum chamber. Again this is my guess from what I am reading because it is not clearly called out.

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Re: EM Drive

Postby GIThruster » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:59 pm

The media is picking it up now. If Sonny can't produce replication, this is going to go very badly for NASA.

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/nasa-reveals- ... socialflow
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Re: EM Drive

Postby birchoff » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:19 pm

And honestly I kinda think they would(edited) deserve it. I would expect that if a paper covering this kinda upending of the accepted norm was going to go out with NASA's name on it in any way, shape or form. They would at least do an internal review. I would also find it hard to believe that any potential issues with their replication would be obvious ones, if there are any.

That said though I would like to see Eagleworks follow through with their plan of building an article that could be validated at JPL and JHU Applied physics lab. And all results from any additional testing should be published and peer reviewed. Character assasinations are not neccessary just let reality (experiments and their protocols) speak for themselves.


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