10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

[stefanbanev]

That is why I make a point of separating LENR from Rossi.

Rossi is full of shit.

LENR is what it will be. And in that Ecat will be what it will be. Although to date, Ecat has been suspect in its demonstrated capability. Is that a function of Rossi, or Ecat? Dunno. They are not one in the same.
But whatever Ecat is or is not, Rossi has not been helpful at all in clearing it up.

It is unfortunate that Rossi had to associate himself with LENR. I do not think it has been helpful at all.

>Rossi is full of shit.

If you do not like the guy just ignore him, why you are so focused... pathetic, miserable, low-end ... - ignore the apparent BS. Yet, you continue to "embrace" Rossi ... so many writing for an apparent BS. The issue is apparent and it is not Rossi at all...

[ladajo]

I guess it bothers me how some folks seem to worship him and cannot separate him from his thing.
It is sad how he is put on a pedestal when he is clearly full of it. It is even sadder, that because he is on this pedastal, Ecat must work. Because he said so.

I guess I am venting out my frustrations on how gullible some folks can be.

The other part that bothers me, is how Rossi can suck in people to give him money. All based on his lies. That, I find very wrong.
He is collecting money, no matter how many times he claims it is all out of pocket. It is a matter of record he has asked for money a number of times, as well as apparently taken money in with the "selling" of distribution rights.

[tomclarke]

That is why I make a point of separating LENR from Rossi.

Rossi is full of shit.

LENR is what it will be. And in that Ecat will be what it will be. Although to date, Ecat has been suspect in its demonstrated capability. Is that a function of Rossi, or Ecat? Dunno. They are not one in the same.
But whatever Ecat is or is not, Rossi has not been helpful at all in clearing it up.

It is unfortunate that Rossi had to associate himself with LENR. I do not think it has been helpful at all.

Worth remembering that the "Rossi effect" has given a big popular (and I guess funding) boost to a whole load of people working with Ni/H systems. Miley, Piantelli, Focardi, Brillouin, DGT.

There is no more or less evidence for this stuff now than before the Rossi circus, but people think (now) somehow there must be something real even though they agree Rossi is rubbish.

I don't think this helpful. Any LENR that is real should be able to get mega-funding pretty easy from a bomb-proof experiment, even at only 10% extra power sustained.

[Axil]

That is why I make a point of separating LENR from Rossi.

Rossi is full of shit.

LENR is what it will be. And in that Ecat will be what it will be. Although to date, Ecat has been suspect in its demonstrated capability. Is that a function of Rossi, or Ecat? Dunno. They are not one in the same.
But whatever Ecat is or is not, Rossi has not been helpful at all in clearing it up.

It is unfortunate that Rossi had to associate himself with LENR. I do not think it has been helpful at all.

Worth remembering that the "Rossi effect" has given a big popular (and I guess funding) boost to a whole load of people working with Ni/H systems. Miley, Piantelli, Focardi, Brillouin, DGT.

There is no more or less evidence for this stuff now than before the Rossi circus, but people think (now) somehow there must be something real even though they agree Rossi is rubbish.

I don't think this helpful. Any LENR that is real should be able to get mega-funding pretty easy from a bomb-proof experiment, even at only 10% extra power sustained.

One good thing Rossi has done is inspire many into replication attempts. Here is one

http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=147

If you are not deep into the replication community and if you want to try replication yourself see the following for a shopping list:

"Achieved Rossi replication. Procedure:

1. Approximated apparatus with parts purchased from: http://www.plumbingfittingsdirect.com/press.html
2. Purchased band heater from: http://www.thermalcorp.com/
3. Thermal couple and accessories from: http://www.plasticservices.com/Electric ... N%20Series
and http://www.ni.com/usb-thermocouple/
4. Loaded reaction chamber with Ni coated Cu nano powder from: http://www.canfuo.com/NanoNi-Cu.html
and Fe powder from: http://www.jtbaker.nl/export/worldof/lab/search.asp
5. Cu fittings brazed. Manipulations in glove box. RFG Radionics Radio Frequency Lesion Generator RFG-4

Duplicated Rossi results with COP 6 and still creating steam after 5 days.

H2 pressure release ends reaction.

Hope this helps you. Reply unnecessary.

Ortiz "

Let me know if this does the job!

[Betruger]

There is no doubt that Rossi plays fast and lose with the facts, misdirects, obfuscates and also lies on occasion. I think he is a strange guy who is at least paranoid. I don't think this is news to many.

The real question IMO is what should we infer from his personal traits vis-a-vis the E-cat and more broadly for the other growing list of LENR players (Brilluoin, Defkalion, Miley, Piantelli, Celani, etc.).

wait for some of these to play out rather than infer anything right now from Rossi's behavior (however well documented).

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Distinction without difference?

If you do not like the guy just ignore him, why you are so focused...

IOW why be so thorough and consistent in assessing something? Something that's a matter of science? Or maybe you will pull the "pathological" card on anyone whose curiosity is piqued by anything especially nebulous - anyone who likes puzzles or making sense of intrigues of any kind. Tinkerers and compulsive deconstructionist/reconstructionists.

pathetic, miserable, low-end ...

Say what now?

- ignore the apparent BS.

Ignore the bridge being sold under wraps of "something revolutionary". Maybe next you will say this is textbook definition of critical thinking.
"Winking your eyes till you see what you wanna see"

[Axil]

If you do not like the guy just ignore him, why you are so focused...

IOW why be so thorough and consistent in assessing something? Something that's a matter of science? Or maybe you will pull the "pathological" card on anyone whose curiosity is piqued by anything especially nebulous - anyone who likes puzzles or making sense of intrigues of any kind. Tinkerers and compulsive deconstructionist/reconstructionists.

Do you have a person such as John Nash, a Nobel Laureate in Economics in mind as your model?

You overlook the pathology in his personality and judge his work on the merits.

[Betruger]

Is John Nash writing in this discussion forum? Who is mister Banev talking to? J. Nash?

[tomclarke]

That is why I make a point of separating LENR from Rossi.

Rossi is full of shit.

LENR is what it will be. And in that Ecat will be what it will be. Although to date, Ecat has been suspect in its demonstrated capability. Is that a function of Rossi, or Ecat? Dunno. They are not one in the same.
But whatever Ecat is or is not, Rossi has not been helpful at all in clearing it up.

It is unfortunate that Rossi had to associate himself with LENR. I do not think it has been helpful at all.

Worth remembering that the "Rossi effect" has given a big popular (and I guess funding) boost to a whole load of people working with Ni/H systems. Miley, Piantelli, Focardi, Brillouin, DGT.

There is no more or less evidence for this stuff now than before the Rossi circus, but people think (now) somehow there must be something real even though they agree Rossi is rubbish.

I don't think this helpful. Any LENR that is real should be able to get mega-funding pretty easy from a bomb-proof experiment, even at only 10% extra power sustained.

One good thing Rossi has done is inspire many into replication attempts. Here is one

http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=147

If you are not deep into the replication community and if you want to try replication yourself see the following for a shopping list:

"Achieved Rossi replication. Procedure:

1. Approximated apparatus with parts purchased from: http://www.plumbingfittingsdirect.com/press.html
2. Purchased band heater from: http://www.thermalcorp.com/
3. Thermal couple and accessories from: http://www.plasticservices.com/Electric ... N%20Series
and http://www.ni.com/usb-thermocouple/
4. Loaded reaction chamber with Ni coated Cu nano powder from: http://www.canfuo.com/NanoNi-Cu.html
and Fe powder from: http://www.jtbaker.nl/export/worldof/lab/search.asp
5. Cu fittings brazed. Manipulations in glove box. RFG Radionics Radio Frequency Lesion Generator RFG-4

Duplicated Rossi results with COP 6 and still creating steam after 5 days.

H2 pressure release ends reaction.

Hope this helps you. Reply unnecessary.

Ortiz "

Let me know if this does the job!

Any one replication that worked and we would all jump for joy.

Internet people claiming things work without evidence will not however work.

Rosssi's known ability to do extreme truth bending, often equivalent to lying, means his sttaements about E-cats working can have no weight.

Unfortunately he has no independent verification, and the demos are all known to be flawed (in different ways) and show nothing.

So Rossi himself gives no extra credibility to LENR.

Nor do hosts of people popping out of the woodwork claiming home-brew replication.

You may be sure that if the experiment were replicable, some of these home-brew attempts will be conducted well enough to have interesting results and 3rd party tested. Positive results would create more interest and lead to more rigorous 3rd party testing. We would then know, and jump for joy.

Is this good for LENR? NO. Because if LENR exists there is no reason to think Ni/H is what works, rather than any one of the other things that have been tried and lead to possible results. Pushing everyone in the direction of just one method is clearly a bad idea.

[Betruger]

the demos are all known to be flawed (in different ways) and show nothing.

The one thing he could have done that would've warranted looking past his "quirks". Everything else is just superfluous politics and hand waving.

When can we look into his black box? When is he delivering working units? Working here by the original physics definition: that does WORK. So far it is all vaporware, especially arguments over Rossi, with zero productivity, zero WORK done. This whole Rossi affair's nothing but a giant rubegoldberg claptrap of rumor and PR smoke and mirrors.

"Lead, follow, or get outta the way". Rossi does none. Rossibots follow - to nowhere.

Nextbigfuture has yet more reports of other LENR/Cold Fusion (since we're lumping all the "controversial" phenomena together in this discussion). None of them managed by hare-brained methods as Rossi's.

[polyill]

ladajo,

I want to thank you for your effort. It's been put well. I humbly suggest Rossi does not deserve any more of your time, I am sure you have better things to do.

Thanks

[stefanbanev]

ladajo,

I want to thank you for your effort. It's been put well. I humbly suggest Rossi does not deserve any more of your time, I am sure you have better things to do.

Thanks

I want to thank you for your effort. It's been put well. I humbly suggest Rossi does deserve more of your time, I am sure you have no better things to do.

;o)

[ladajo]

ladajo,

I want to thank you for your effort. It's been put well. I humbly suggest Rossi does not deserve any more of your time, I am sure you have better things to do.

Thanks

I think I have been using it as a stress relief, work has been really busy over the last month. It started with the week away at the Labs, and then the hits just kept rolling. Rossi provided me with a relatively concrete outlet.

But you are right. I think for now I have posted enough concrete evidence he is full of it.

I apologize to all if I got too harsh about it. Just venting a bit of steam on my part.

In any event, I was able to solidify several major flaws in his story. So all in all, it did prove useful. I would lov e for someone to ask him to prove he "shipped" the 1MW from the US to Bologna. I bet he can not produce the documents, and will come up with some story about how he shipped just parts, and assembled it there. Still begs the famous, "why?" question.

Hey Rossi! Why?

[ladajo]

Anyone else see the articles on the High School kids in Italy that have built Ni powder reactors as an in class science project and are getting net?

http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2012/ ... 3583028/1/

http://www.leopoldopirelli.it/index.php ... &cont=1000

Looks worth a repeat, and enough details seem to be provided to do so.

[parallel]

Try this site (with translate.google.com) for details to replicate the cold fusion experiment carried out by high school students in Rome.

http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/04/lat ... %2Fp%3E%29

Edit
Tungsten powder??

[ladajo]

Sure enough.