10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

CherryPick · Post by **CherryPick** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:06 pm

MSimon wrote:
LENR is not even to the well understood science level - let alone engineering.

OTH. Gravity is well understood in engineering level, but remains tough mystery for science.

JoeP · Post by **JoeP** » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:55 pm

CherryPick wrote:
MSimon wrote:
LENR is not even to the well understood science level - let alone engineering.
OTH. Gravity is well understood in engineering level, but remains tough mystery for science.

Mechanism of inertia as well.

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:04 am

Maui wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:Please give a link where he is saying the same except ecatplanet.net.
I dunno, I know its not official, but it looks pretty legit to me.

And what is legit in that some web-resource for promoting something changes protosource words changing main idea?
With all respect Mr. Bushnell he is not authority for me. As I know that in such organizations as NASA in perspective research departments for brain storm often work people generating mad ideas. And probability of further embodiment of those one per million. Such situation was in former Soviet Union too.
Anyway, even if he spoke as has been quoted (and I am assured that he didn't speak so) as I understand Mr. Bushnell isn't an official NASA spokesman.

JoeP · Post by **JoeP** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:44 am

Joseph Chikva wrote:
Maui wrote:
Joseph Chikva wrote:Please give a link where he is saying the same except ecatplanet.net.
I dunno, I know its not official, but it looks pretty legit to me.
And what is legit in that some web-resource for promoting something changes protosource words changing main idea?
With all respect Mr. Bushnell he is not authority for me. As I know that in such organizations as NASA in perspective research departments for brain storm often work people generating mad ideas. And probability of further embodiment of those one per million. Such situation was in former Soviet Union too.
Anyway, even if he spoke as has been quoted (and I am assured that he didn't speak so) as I understand Mr. Bushnell isn't an official NASA spokesman.

There are a lot of links with Bushnell saying similar things. Clearly he is a believer in the LENR phenomena. Although you would think if NASA was working on this, they would have been further along by now.

Krivit's site: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/ ... ot-fusion/

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:21 pm

JoeP wrote:There are a lot of links with Bushnell saying similar things. Clearly he is a believer in the LENR phenomena.

I see that he is believer that LENR is possible. But any physics will send Rossi to his died parents addressing with not quite good words seeing how Rossi makes calorimetry claiming excess heat. Regardless to in what he trusts: in LENR or in Evil.

JoeP · Post by **JoeP** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:09 pm

Joseph Chikva wrote:
JoeP wrote:There are a lot of links with Bushnell saying similar things. Clearly he is a believer in the LENR phenomena.
I see that he is believer that LENR is possible. But any physics will send Rossi to his died parents addressing with not quite good words seeing how Rossi makes calorimetry claiming excess heat. Regardless to in what he trusts: in LENR or in Evil.

Take it easy on the metaphors, Joe. It is difficult enough to parse as it is

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:36 am

JoeP wrote:Take it easy on the metaphors, Joe. It is difficult enough to parse as it is

Difficult but not impossible I hope? Ok I will try to speak without metaphors.

cgray45 · Post by **cgray45** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:05 am

If Rossi turns out to be a scam, which right now I'll lay pretty good odds, as in about 95% given his past history, thisi s gonna be another punch right in the Kisser for LENR and all advocates of non-traditional forms of energy.

Kahuna · Post by **Kahuna** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:13 pm

Joseph Chikva wrote:
Kahuna wrote:http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?1 ... SA-Langley

Selected Quotes:

Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real,...
Please give a link where he is saying the same except ecatplanet.net . As little Google search gave me the following:
Low-energy nuclear reactors (LENRs), otherwise known as cold fusion reactors, were considered impossible to build a decade ago but are gaining attention thanks to the work of Allan Widom and Lewis Larsen, who have proposed a new theory to explain how LENR might work. NASA is conducting experiments in an attempt to verify their theory, which explains the decades-long LENR experiments as products of quantum weak interaction theory applied to condensed matter, not fusion.
Also as I understand unlike Rossi Widom and Larsen do not claim about production of net power. Where does Mr. Bushnell speaks about Rossi except pro-Rossi's web-sites? And as if I recall correctly Rossi denies Widom-Larsen theory.

And
NASA is conducting experiments in an attempt to verify their theory,…
and can not report anything valuable yet and Rossi can?
The poor man lending even coffee machine and not knowing how to measure heat?

Here are some ecatplanet.net links for you (as well as links to the Nelson and Zawodny presentations):

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government ... rkshop.pdf
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government ... rkshop.pdf
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government ... rkshop.pdf

ScottL · Post by **ScottL** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:07 pm

Just finished the PDFs, they're short. To summarize what they say:

If the devices works, it maybe a source for cheaper power, but they need to be independently verified. Suprise, surprise, the same things we've been saying from the beginning.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:14 pm

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/ ... -workshop/

Krivit's write up on the FOIA pull.

rcain · Post by **rcain** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:15 am

ladajo wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/ ... -workshop/

Krivit's write up on the FOIA pull.

good find.

excited to see NASA proposing a serious look at/review of this subject area.

however, i cant help thinking they are jumping the gun a bit/wishfully thinking , with all these wonderful sounding aerospace applications. certainly a long way to go from 'coffee machines' to VTOL and star-ships.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:50 am

In case you haven't seen it before:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid= ... y=CO7D85UK

and

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/05/combin ... d-iec.html

Joseph Chikva · Post by **Joseph Chikva** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:02 am

Kahuna wrote:Here are some ecatplanet.net links for you (as well as links to the Nelson and Zawodny presentations):

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government ... rkshop.pdf
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government ... rkshop.pdf
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government ... rkshop.pdf

Would you like to say some not ecatplanet.net links?

And would you like to say that NASA considers Rossi as serious researcher?
I have not time now and also wish to read long texts. Please quote.
Thanks.

JoeP · Post by **JoeP** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:19 am

ScottL wrote:Just finished the PDFs, they're short. To summarize what they say:

If the devices works, it maybe a source for cheaper power, but they need to be independently verified. Suprise, surprise, the same things we've been saying from the beginning.

Yeah. But the slides were overly optimistic, don't you think?
These kind of experiments should be easy to set up in NASA's labs.