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Now whether he's wrong, attempting to defraud, or just an idiot on this project has yet to be seen,

Yeah, right. The fourth option, that he might have discovered something new should be strictly ignored.

1. Cut ties with Defkalion.
2. Failed to pay UoB
3. Failed to provide test devices as promised
4. Has changed venue from Greece to U.S.
5. Cites U.S. patent issues, but is still changing venue to such

1. Defkalian failed to meet their obligations and do not criticize Rossi.
2. Obviously you have difficulty reading. All along Rossi has stated the research agreement would start after the 1 MW demo, in November.
3. What test devices has he failed to provide? Links please.
4. He is a resident of America. As he made the 1 MW unit here it was possibly strange that the first customer was in Greece. I guess that makes it a sin to do the demo here.
5. What are you talking about. You should know by now that it is impossible to get a patent on cold fusion in the US.

Why do keep on with this repetitive nonsense? I've seen the same thing from you before. You really need to do your homework. Does it make you feel big to run someone down who is not around to defend themselves?

1. Sorry forgot the option of it working, I concede its a possibility.
2. The onus as it were was not on Defkalian, but on Rossi. Their only obligation was to pay once the product was proven, which to them it has not been.
3. I could link the old thread in this forum, but I think you can find it. He originally said he would send a test device by late June/early July to Ekstromm (spelling?) but quickly reversed this statement.
4. Demo'ing here is fine, but I thought he was afraid of the American patent process?! There's nothing wrong with what he's doing here, just that its peculiar and doesn't add to his credibility.
5. If it's impossible and he's afraid and won't reveal any of the secrets of the black box without it, then what good is the demo if we can't prove it. No logical company is going to give any money until they know how it works.

I repeat that if it works great, but I don't find it likely. I'm glad you've seen this from me before, hopefully it'll sink in that you should be skeptical. I've done my homework see above and if this isn't enough I can give you the link to the previous thread. I'm not running anyone down, simply stating facts. I think your post is a sign you're frustrated because you know you should be some what skeptical.

Arguing over vaporware.

Assume the 1MW demonstration goes well. Then what?

Someone mentioned UL certification would be needed to sell it to industries and the general public. Which would likely take years.

In the mean time, whichever major company has managed to negotiate the rights will be quiet, because there's not much to be said. Maybe NASA would have some rights, but it takes them eons to do anything.

Set the alarm clock for T + 5 years.

That's assuming it just doesn't get swallowed up by the DoD as soon as they start believing in it. In which case, we may never hear about it.

Betruger wrote:Arguing over vaporware.

Agreed. I think I'm done with this topic until Nov. 1st, at which time providing my predictions are right, I'll be spouting Nelson's "HA HA."

Oct might be closer than we thought.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 50950.html

If it's true we still may not see any info for a while.

Does anyone have some contacts with Nasa test labs to confirm this?

From Rossis blog:

Enzo
September 2nd, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Dear Dr. Rossi,
good luck for tomorrow

Andrea Rossi
September 2nd, 2011 at 3:10 AM

Dear Enzo:
I always am delighted of good luck wishes, but…what happens tomorrow of special?
Warm Regards,
A.R.

The heat of fusion of water is 241.83 kJ/ mole. 1 MW is 1000 kJ/sec, so
4.135 moles/sec.
This would be just over 8 grams of hydrogen, and some 65 grams of oxygen per second.
The design I have seen, though, has the nickel in a hydrogen atmosphere, that is, it should have a pressure of hydrogen, but no oxygen inside the reaction chamber.
Still, it will be clear if the 1 MW reactor is using 720 kg of hydrogen a day - you aren't going to miss that.

Tech wrote:From Rossis blog:

Enzo
September 2nd, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Dear Dr. Rossi,
good luck for tomorrow

Andrea Rossi
September 2nd, 2011 at 3:10 AM

Dear Enzo:
I always am delighted of good luck wishes, but…what happens tomorrow of special?
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I wonder whether there is some confusion between what Rossi is doing and what Piantelli is doing in the Italian rumormill.

Giorgio wrote:Does anyone have some contacts with Nasa test labs to confirm this?

Unfortunately, NASA Space Centers tend to be a bit stove piped. Unless we have someone at the rumored Center (Marshall), it is unlikely that we would get visibility.

Each Space Center is trying to find means to justify its continued exisitence. It is not a team effort.

Maybe someone at NSF might know or know someone who does.

More of the same, enjoy.
1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II3NxxyxQ0I

Carl White wrote:Someone mentioned UL certification would be needed to sell it to industries and the general public. Which would likely take years.

UL cert is all well and good, but if a government tries saying it's illegal to buy one because it's not UL certified, they can send armed troops to my house to take mine away, and I"ll have the video cameras waiting.

As the name suggests "Underwriters Laboratories" (a private company) issue certificates mainly in order to be able to get the equipment insured. I'm not an expert in this area and I wouldn't be surprised if some government agencies don't insist on UL certification. Large things, like a new nuclear plant would not have UL certification. UL simply would not be able to do the tests.

This should be interesting for those that think cold fusion has never been proved.
How to Produce the Pons-Fleischmann Effect
by Edmund Storms
Los Alamos National Laboratory
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEhowtoprodu.pdf

Only two months to go before the scheduled 1 MW demo