Polywell In The Strangest Places

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Polywell In The Strangest Places

Postby MSimon » Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:36 pm

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Re: Polywell In The Strangest Places

Postby Diogenes » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:01 pm

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Postby JohnP » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:15 pm

So, conservatives feel that government-funded research is OK?

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Postby Diogenes » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:42 pm

JohnP wrote:So, conservatives feel that government-funded research is OK?


If it has serious defense applications then absolutely. As it is the DUTY of government to provide for our defense, therefore it is their DUTY to procure the best weapons and technology to accomplish that goal.
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Postby jsbiff » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:08 am

Diogenes wrote:
JohnP wrote:So, conservatives feel that government-funded research is OK?


If it has serious defense applications then absolutely. As it is the DUTY of government to provide for our defense, therefore it is their DUTY to procure the best weapons and technology to accomplish that goal.


But. . . doesn't *everything* have some sort of defense application, if you think about it?

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Postby KitemanSA » Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:39 pm

JohnP wrote:So, conservatives feel that government-funded research is OK?
Why ask him? He is not "conservative", he is "authoritarian". :P

jsbiff wrote:But. . . doesn't *everything* have some sort of defense application, if you think about it?
In which case, let the military run the research. If they don't want it, the fedgov shouldn't do it. 'Kay? :lol:

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Postby Diogenes » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:29 pm

jsbiff wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
JohnP wrote:So, conservatives feel that government-funded research is OK?


If it has serious defense applications then absolutely. As it is the DUTY of government to provide for our defense, therefore it is their DUTY to procure the best weapons and technology to accomplish that goal.


But. . . doesn't *everything* have some sort of defense application, if you think about it?


Only if you are willing to stretch the definition beyond reason. No, not everything has defense applications. Much mischief has been caused by people trying to put too big of a load on that wagon.

Research to produce advanced propulsion for Navy ships is DEFINITELY a defense application.
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Postby Diogenes » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:31 pm

KitemanSA wrote:
JohnP wrote:So, conservatives feel that government-funded research is OK?
Why ask him? He is not "conservative", he is "authoritarian". :P




You should explain your point better. You think i'm an "authoritarian" because I don't believe drugs should be freely available to whomever wants them. Sensible people do not regard this belief as "authoritarian."
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Postby ogiw » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:53 pm

Diogenes wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:
JohnP wrote:So, conservatives feel that government-funded research is OK?
Why ask him? He is not "conservative", he is "authoritarian". :P




You should explain your point better. You think i'm an "authoritarian" because I don't believe drugs should be freely available to whomever wants them. Sensible people do not regard this belief as "authoritarian."


You can often tell people who weren't conservatives or even libertarians during the Cold War by them not understanding what conservatism really is.

Also, "liberaltarians" are actually ... libertines. Nothing to be ashamed of there, just calling it like I see it.

BTW, I'm a conservative. And, yes, there is a role in the Federal government in providing war-fighting capability, defending our common borders, and providing a State Department on behalf of the States. As Bill Buckley might have put it, the rest should be up to a continuing and lively review; I personally feel that the FDA has gone way too far in the past in restrictions on drug availability, but the Federal government does have a role in providing at least a common framework for drug availability due to the commerce clause of the Constitution.

And, I for one, feel that we have bigger fish to fry during 2012 than this.

Given the current mess, I am pretty sure that we can put the libertarian versus conservative stuff on the shelf until we can get the Left out of power in Washington. Please remember that we conservatives and the libertarians view the Alinskyite Left as rivals; they view us as the enemy, and act accordingly.

Just sayin' ...

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Postby KitemanSA » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:28 am

Diogenes wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:
JohnP wrote:So, conservatives feel that government-funded research is OK?
Why ask him? He is not "conservative", he is "authoritarian". :P
You should explain your point better. You think i'm an "authoritarian" because I don't believe drugs should be freely available to whomever wants them. Sensible people do not regard this belief as "authoritarian."
No, I call you authoritarian because you advocate killing people who don't follow YOUR wishes.

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Postby KitemanSA » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:30 am

ogiw wrote: Also, "liberaltarians" are actually ... libertines. Nothing to be ashamed of there, just calling it like I see it.
Then you see dimly and with a total lack of focus.
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Postby MSimon » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:54 am

Given the current mess, I am pretty sure that we can put the libertarian versus conservative stuff on the shelf until we can get the Left out of power in Washington.


It could work if conservatives adopted a "leave us alone" attitude that covered everyone.

I'm not willing to support statists - of the right or left.

And why would I want to join a group that will show forbearance toward others as long as it has bigger fish to fry? What happens to me when it is open season on small fish? You have just given me an incentive to see turmoil maintained. My natural predilection anyway. But I will take steps to strengthen that position.

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Postby choff » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:28 am

I've been reading some strange stuff about Communitarianism in the UK and a strange outfit called DEMOS and Common Purpose. Could it be that the DEMOS Barack Obama joined is a US version of the same outfit?
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Postby Enginerd » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:21 am

ogiw wrote:Given the current mess, I am pretty sure that we can put the libertarian versus conservative stuff on the shelf until we can get the Left out of power in Washington. Please remember that we conservatives and the libertarians view the Alinskyite Left as rivals; they view us as the enemy, and act accordingly.


<wildly drifting off topic>

It just ain't that simple. Libertarian's and conservatives tend to make poor partners. Conservatives tend to have values (often with religious or tradition based motivation) that they wish to enact into law so everybody else will also share their socially conservative values. They tend to want to cozy up with corporate monopolies, enacting laws on their behalf that damage the freedoms of individuals.

But libertarian's and liberals also tend to make poor partners. Liberals tend to want to provide everybody with a safety net and a chicken in every pot, they wish to have society pay for all the chickens and safety nets, and they wish to enact laws so everybody else will share their socially liberal (compassion using other people's money) values. Sadly, they also tend to want to cozy up with corporate monopolies, enacting laws on their behalf that damage the freedoms of individuals.

Libertarian's tend to want to get rid of all the values based laws, corporation coddling laws, and social safety nets, and prefer to let people do whatever they want to do (including being allowed to harm themselves), so long as they don't harm anybody else and don't damage the collective commons.
As a libertarian myself, I consider both the left and the right to be equally bad, just in different ways.

To bring this back on topic, it is fortunate that the left and the right, despite their differences, both comprehend economics. It is ultimately economics that will drive the development and adoption of new energy, such as Polywell, regardless of who is in power.
Assuming it works.... :-)
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Postby palladin9479 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:36 am

As a libertarian myself, I consider both the left and the right to be equally bad, just in different ways.


This pretty much describes how I feel. Both conservatives and liberals are bad. The only thing that's been saving the USA is that those two groups tend to spend all their time and energy fighting each other for control and thus nullify each other. This gets in the way of good idea's but also gets in the way of many bad idea's.

The way I've seen it, the conservatives are the evil(er) of the two evils as their just using conservatism as a screen for corporatism, their road eventually leads to an authoritarian theocracy where non-believers are oppressed. Their better organized then the liberals.

The liberals generally do things with good intentions but are easily manipulated. Leaders in their party are no different then the conservatives, they just use a different means to push their agenda. These guys road eventually leads to an authoritarian socialist state where even is oppressed equally.

I'd prefer to not be oppressed period, so I tell both parties to f*ck off.[/quote]


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