LENR Is Real

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby JoeP » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:31 pm

ladajo, I was thinking the same thing.

I moderate my opinion on however. Rossi isn't stupid and probably has some objective evidence to back up most of what he asserts in that last blog post that Axil put out above.

This lawsuit is the best development yet in this silly saga :)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Axil » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:06 pm


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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Axil » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:29 pm

EDMUND STORMS' OPINION:


-We all agree that the LENR process is real. We all agree that significant excess energy can be made when unknown and rarely produced conditions are applied to certain materials. I think we all can agree that the LENR effect can operate in NiH just as it operates in PdD. The basic question is whether Rossi found a way to cause significant energy to be made by LENR using NiH. All of his actions make sense If we assume he was successful.

Put yourself in his shoes. You discover a heat source worth trillions but can not get patent protection for your idea. Your only protection is secrecy. Once the successful recipe is generally known, you have lost any claim to financial reward. The amount of money involved eliminates trust being part of any future business relationship. Consequently, Rossi is forced to play a very dangerous and difficult game involving deception and in some cases lying. This problem would not exist if patent protection were available.

I predict this same problem will affect all efforts to commercialize the LENR effect. A person only has two choices. If he finds a method to make a material nuclear active, he either has to make it know to the public and then gain mainly fame (aka Tesla), or keep it secret while trying to raise money to create a commercial product on your own. Naturally, some exaggeration, fraud, and lying would be involved because people do not like to give money without knowing the secret, which cannot be revealed. I do not excuse or support Rossi, but I do understand his problem. The problem lies squarely in the patent office and the DOE. A no win situation has been created by the skeptics.

I believe Rossi made sure he revealed nothing of value about his process and provided false leads to keep people from finding his method. I believe he had not mastered the method well enough for commercial use and needed money to do this. IH provided some of this money, but without being told the secret method to activate the material. IH does not want to spend 89M$ unless they know the secret, which is reasonable but contrary to Rossi's self-interest. So we will see the mud fly and watch one more father being eaten alive.

Meanwhile, the CO2 in the air keeps rising and the fission reactors keep getting older and more brittle.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Axil » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:41 pm


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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:45 pm

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Giorgio » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:02 pm

A society of dogmas is a dead society.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:03 am

Penon's Master's degree (5 year) was noted elsewhere and previously. It is also NOT in nuclear engineering/ physics. As I recall it is in industrial certs or somesuch. Something like safety and compliance.
These lemmings will believe anything that Rossiclown says.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:39 am

Pulled this from a post at Rossiclown's blog.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby Giorgio » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:49 am

If he actually was a Ph.D. Doctor in the first line instead of: "titolo: INGEGNERE"
should have been : "titolo: DOTTORE INGEGNERE"

Anyhow, as you said those minions will believe even if he told them that the earth was flat.
A society of dogmas is a dead society.

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby KitemanSA » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:13 pm

Sorry, what is the connection between "the ERV that made the report" and Penon?
Rossi was talking about "the ERV that made the report", no? What is the issue with Penon?

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ScottL » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:27 pm


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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:27 am

Nor is he independent.

And based his his previous "testing" of ecat, his skill set is suspect.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:35 am

Somebody really needs to ask Rossi why he still will not allow a single phase heat the water tank test.

This fact remains one of the singular central failures in Rossiclown's argument. He knows it will not work, and he can't scam it without excessive risk.

This is why the water tank remains the gold standard for calorimetric testing.

I predict he will allow that the day Parallel can prove he has a Doctorate.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby ladajo » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:24 pm

Or you can make Rossiclown submit to truly independent and valid (like a water tank calorimetry) Ecat testing via the court (which is likely to happen as long as IH holds their ground, and doesn't settle).

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: LENR Is Real

Postby JoeP » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:26 pm

Nice link. That guy sure has a vendetta!

I think it pretty doubtful there will be a court mandated testing. What I think matters more in the legal sense is if IH agreed upon the test protocol and signed off on all the stages, and agreed to abide by the so-called ERV report results. That is what the jury will care about. If it can be shown that the ERV was, in fact, in collusion with Rossi, then that is their main escape hatch, even if IH obtained investments based on assurances of their technology working. The angle they need to show is that they were also duped. Otherwise they are just as guilty as Rossi in the overall scam.

Don't forget that IH invested in this thing when there was plenty of evidence about it being a scam at the beginning, and all of Rossi's past dealings and failed companies were also out there for public inspection. How can they claim to have not done their due diligence? Naivete? Please.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for IH in this; they helped keep the cash flowing for them and Rossi IMO.


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