Re: LENR Is Real
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:46 am
If this is the level of knowledge of the so called LENR experts and supporters out there it is not hard to understand how people like Rossi are still able to sell their scam.....
To clarify more simply, you can do this if you have pressures, temps, and mass flow rate. You can then use the steam tables/mollier to find you energy states of the fluid (for a given temp/pressure it can have only one state) in a flow balanced system. In Rossiclown's case, you would measure water massflow & temp in, water massflow & temp out (massflow in can be based on the pump or a meter, massflow out could be the never fail "fill the bucket time", and boiling chamber pressure. Any delta in the water mass flow rate can be assumed to be steam mass flow rate. Then, the quality of the steam can be found using the enthalpic values from the table. You could also rough this off a Mollier. From this data you would get power and steam quality.hanelyp wrote:I suppose wet steam calorimetry isn't impossible, but I don't see a reputable researcher using such a complicated and error prone method. To get useful results you'd have to measure quantity of both steam and liquid water out. Single phase calorimetry would be my choice if I wanted to measure the thermal power output of a device.
2. Please tell me Oh Great Rossiclown of the Court Process, for I am foreign, and just don't get it?Oystein Lande
May 22, 2016 at 12:02 PM
Dear mr Rossi,
Did you see my question on steam quality?
Was it measured?
Andrea Rossi
May 22, 2016 at 1:06 PM
Oystein Lande:
Let me repeat another time: I cannot disclose even parts of the Report of the ERV before it is disclosed in Court. All I can say is that the measurements have been made by a nuclear engineer expert of nuclear power plants, certifications and validations. Do you think we ( or you ) have to explain to him how to measure the energy consumed and the energy produced by a boiler during one year ?
Warm Regards,
A.R.
3. Please tell me Oh Great Rossiclown of the ERV and his Good Foresight in Recognizing Your Greatness?DvH
May 22, 2016 at 12:58 PM
Hello Mr Rossi,
most international readers of this blog may not know the details of american law-system. What kind of procedure is it?
Greetings
dvh
Andrea Rossi
May 22, 2016 at 1:39 PM
DvH:
My attorney reccommended to me not to disclose the Report of the ERV before its disclosure in Court, because it should be uncorrect. For obvious reasons, I comply.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
4. Please tell me Oh Great Rossiclown of Your Greatness AGAIN in Superheating THE STEAM?Sebastian
May 22, 2016 at 1:42 PM
Dear Andrea,
Thank you for your response earlier today. It clarifies things a bit.
I do have one more question:
You told Mats Lewan that to be conservative, the ERV ignored the energy corresponding to heating the inflowing cooled water (at about 60˚C) to boiling temperature.
Did the ERV also ignore the energy corresponding to heating the vaporized water to temperatures above boiling point?
Thank you!
Andrea Rossi
May 22, 2016 at 1:53 PM
Sebastian:
Good question. Yes, the ERV ignored also the energy spent to heat the steam above the boiling point, as well as the energy necessary to raise the temperature of the water from circa 60-70 °C to the boiling point, to be conservative.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
You are going to Jail Rossiclown. Again.Oystein Lande
May 22, 2016 at 2:36 PM
Dear Mr Rossi,
I’m sorry. Was just curious of what principles were used. We will wait for later then.
About your answer to Sebastian:
Does this imply that heating was done in stages?
I mean one core was boiling water and the next was superheating the steam from boiler section?
Andrea Rossi
May 22, 2016 at 4:31 PM
Oystein Lande:
It’s ok, thanks for your comprehension.
The circuit was complex, but yes, the steam was superheated.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
This one even I know - temperature, pressure, volume. If your pressure goes up, but the temp stays the same, then the volume has to change.ladajo wrote:A 10mm hose/tea kettle spout diameter kicks some steam even if it is saturated.
Another point, seemingly lost on all, and continuously overlooked is that there is NO WAY the boiling chamber is at atmospheric while boiling.
Especially with that long drain hose. So, science fans, what happens to the evaporative conditions if the pressure is higher in the chamber, yet the temp sets pretty solid at 100.1?