Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby crowberry » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:07 pm


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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby choff » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:35 pm

The lead engineer is a genuinely legit researcher, I don't believe he would get himself involved in something that wasn't a serious effort. That said, the design is a bit of a puzzle and requires more published material.
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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby ladajo » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:45 am

I am not judging the concept. I am merely reporting what I heard from a reputable source. LM has presented to some core players in the plasma physics community. The reported concensus is that the project is very immature, and not yet addressing some key concerns. I wasn't in the conversation, I was only told about it.
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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby choff » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:19 am

Or it works a little too well for people with rice bowls to protect, time will tell.
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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby Solo » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:08 pm

lajado: precisely. One senior professor remarked (and I wish I could find the reference now :( ) that the design seemed to be ignoring some fundamental plasma physics, but that it is difficult to tell anything from the limited amount of information. Evidently, McGuire's thesis was on a topic somewhat remote from actual experiments with magnetic plasma confinement, which might lead one to suspect that he could overlook something important. I think it would benefit his project a great deal from a thorough vetting by the community. The concept is not totally without historical precursors, and some folks out there may be able to advise him on what is already known to work or not.

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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby Robthebob » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:45 am

Have their machine gotten to high beta yet? If they can't get it to high beta, it will not work.
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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby AcesHigh » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:36 am


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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby Robthebob » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:52 pm

So I talked to a bird. I was told that the actual LM team havent actually made any insane outrageous claims (anymore than JYP have been making). The folks at APS were just going crazy without any good reasons.

The bird talked to Charles Chase, and he was very very realistic about the machine. Their major losses are electrons out of open field lines, into the support structure, etc.

What I thought was super insane is that Charles Chase apparently said the CFR doesnt need to rely on the WB effect. This pretty much blew my mind.
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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby mvanwink5 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:11 pm

There are many promising projects and not one has dropped out due to hitting a plasma brick wall. So, funding is the key and many of the projects have adequate staged milestone based funding. All we need is for one of these projects to have a successful prototype.

It would be comforting if all the dark horse projects had at minimum adequate staged funding. Hoping EMC2 makes the funding breakthrough, I mean good grief, big e-guns to power the WB-8, how expensive can that be...? I can't believe the Navy didn't complete the project. :shock:
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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby hanelyp » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:23 pm

The daylight is uncomfortably bright for eyes so long in the dark.

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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby D Tibbets » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:40 am

To error is human... and I'm very human.

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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby ladajo » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:06 pm

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby RodCarlson » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:14 am

Ok decided to use COMSOL plasma physics to model the FEM model of the oscillating field coils. Also will look into NairnFEAMPMViz a MDM PIC FEM modeler, though it seems literature on how to use it isn't explicit. It may take a while to authorize a version of the COMSOL but will try my best as the graphics are very good at showing plasma motion and fields. Of course its a simplified model and doesn't take into account nonlinearities or high temperature plasma. But my goal here is to explain if a gridless accelerator is what Lockheed is aiming to achieve and I can do that very visually with these packages I hope.

Of course I'm going to not worry about what everyone says is impossible for now, and just focus on the propulsion technique I think Lockheed is attempting. Whether or not it creates fusion is a secondary thought, as I think what should first occur is that we have a fairly rough model in our head of what Lockheed plans to achieve with this new configuration. Then we can get more detailed if what they are trying to do is actually doable in terms of plasma and fusion.

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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

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Re: Aviation Week on the Lockheed Skunkworks CFR

Postby TallDave » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:06 pm

n*kBolt*Te = B**2/(2*mu0) and B^.25 loss scaling? Or not so much? Hopefully we'll know soon...


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