I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Speculation

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I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Speculation

Postby mattman » Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:45 am

Hello,

Lockheed needs to give us facts. Publications not press releases. Another cold fusion fiasco would damage this whole community and effort.

What is good for Talk-Polywell, is not necessarily good for fusion power.

That's the position I am taking.

http://thepolywellblog.blogspot.com/201 ... ew-it.html

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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby fahdad » Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:41 am

but do you think there has been enough recent development in diverse semi-probable options in play right now that by the time (if) LM fails then others may have proven to the "funding community" :) that non tokamak designs are viable venues for research investment?

in a way can the weight of the LM and Skunk works brands be enough to finally shed the bad rep that non ITER fusion has had?

(im probably not phrasing "the bad rep that non ITER fusion" properly, but i hope you get the gist of what i mean)

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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby 303 » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:46 am

Its a private company with extensive links to defense industry, be thankful they are providing any information at all.
Company has a proven track record of actually making stuff that works, like jet fighters. (admittedly theres less physics to argue about)
That they are taking a non tokamak approach seriously enough to put out press releases is good news, surely??

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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby Betruger » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:26 am

They did have that EEStor jaunt.

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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby mvanwink5 » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:01 am

LM just had 3 patents published and it looks like all that has happened is that LM has only stated through the media what was in those patents. I haven't seen any claims that step outside of that. There was stated their road map plans to prototype and time line, however, fusion is tough work to get to a prototype, time and again this has been shown.

By the way, thanks for all your work on trying to understand Polywell.
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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby mattman » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:09 pm


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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby hanelyp » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:38 pm

Mattman, no need to yell.

Lockheed-Martin has released enough details that, along with what I've learned fiddling with a synthetic FRC simulation, I could have some rough simulation results inside a week. The symmetry of the design promises to make both simulation and test machines simple compared to some other designs.
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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby mvanwink5 » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:02 pm

Polywell WB-7 nubs vs LM's CFP internal coil supports and coolant lines would seem to have similar heating issues, as hanelyp pointed out. LM may not have gotten to the point where that issue is seen, but I can't see a way around it.
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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby ladajo » Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:30 pm

I also see this as a key point.
The photos they have posted celarly show flow all around the coils. In the WB8 based machines, this is not happening.
The nubs were a key influence on machine dynamics.
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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby happyjack27 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:58 pm

i feel the same as OP. It sounds like an advertising gimmick. This kind of speculative hyperbole and dearth of detail will only make people less trustful of science.

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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby choff » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:16 pm

What gets me is the hard time the patent office gave EMC2 while LM gets a free pass on the nubs. Patent office wouldn't be favoring a large corp. over a startup, would they?
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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby Ivy Matt » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:42 am

The patent office has not made any decisions on Tom McGuire's patent applications yet.
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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby Ivy Matt » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:00 am

Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.

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Re: I think Lockheed Screwed Up. We Need Data - Not Specula

Postby choff » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:30 am

If the LM T4 works like the hybrid polywell spindle-cusp reactor described by Joel Rogers, the EMC2 has 100 times better potential output with the cubic polywell. However, the LM patents describe an oscillating technique for heating the plasma to fusion temperatures, perhaps this is the breakthrough they're talking about. Other considerations involve the vacuum systems of the two designs, that could be where LM gets an advantage.

All wild speculation of course.
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