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Talk-Polywell.org • Dark matter theories
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Dark matter theories

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:19 pm
by Giorgio
Dark mater is one of those theories that I never considered as having a solid base, a theory born just on the need to mathematically satisfy an imperfect modeling of the universe due to our still limited understanding of the space time fabric, of the emergence of mass and of what the heck gravity and inertia really are.

But if there is something that we all should agree on is that nature has the tendency of repeating herself with same/similar mathematical constructs for the different fundamental forces. This means that sometimes the answer to a puzzling question lies not in invoking an unknown, invisible, non measurable entity, but simply into better understanding the mathematical construct we are using to analyze it.

Luckily, more researchers are now finally moving out of such mental constrains and starting to look for more simplistic and observable models.

Here is a fresh paper from Nature's "Scientific Reports" that in an elegant way gets rid of the need of dark mater by creating a mathematical model that treats Entropy as a "complement of information" and by doing so, coherently explaining galaxies shapes among other things.

The title is: Maximum Entropy (Most Likely) Double Helical and Double Logarithmic Spiral Trajectories in Space-Time
PDF available or


A worthwhile read for anyone interested in the field.

*Edited to add Paper's original title.

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:48 pm
by paperburn1
With the recent discovery of the probability of many tines more galaxies out there does that not put a kink ito dark matter Hypothesis? :?:

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:31 pm
by Giorgio

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:38 pm
by Aero
Well, my theory about dark matter is that we extrapolate the number of undiscovered galaxies and their black hole masses until all dark matter is absorbed into the black holes. Of course, I suspect that was the first calculation made when scientists noticed the need to add matter to the universe models.

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:57 pm
by Giorgio
Not only undiscovered galaxies but also all the matter that might exist among galaxies and between solar systems within the same galaxy can have deep influence on those theories. Increasing the mass of galaxies by adding newly discovered baryonic matter will need the revision of the theorized amount of Dark matter, but will also modify the universe density (Rho) in the first Friedmann equation, creating more headache for the Dark energy theorists that are already struggling with the continuous changes in value observed for the first term of the Friedmann equation (which is the Hubble constant).

My hope is that one day we will be able to move observations far in space with better instruments, that might give us really a new understanding of our local area constituency and (maybe) of milky way and the rest of galaxies as a consequence. Unfortunately I don't think that I will have a chance to see that in my life.

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:49 pm
by williatw

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:35 pm
by Giorgio

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:30 am
by williatw

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:55 am
by Giorgio
In the realm of "maybes" everything is possible, but the more maybe you stick together to explain something, the more that something tends to be unlikely to be real.
At that point it all gets to personal opinions that indeed can be one's inviolable beliefs, but are scientifically irrelevant.

Because than maybe I prefer to think that Douglas Adams was right and maybe dolphins are indeed the greys and maybe they will leave us one day with the "so long and thanks for all the fish" note.
I can find it intriguing or funny to believe that it could be a real possibility, but I would never divulge it as a scientific truth or proof.

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:28 pm
by williatw

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:30 am
by Giorgio

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:15 pm
by paperburn1
Being very familiar with AN/AAQ-28(V) LITENING system I can definitely state there is a huge amount of tinkering with the signal as well as the H7.0 integrating of other external sensor array. What I seen in the video was definitely NOT an artifact of processing(IMHO). but the question still remains that it was/ was not an article of extraterrestrial origin but whatever it was it did exist. One of the few things I can comment on is in some of the display the radar range indicated 99 miles, this is usually but not always an indication of active jamming of signal return. I find this intriguing to say the least. we have spitballed several theorem but non yet cover all the facts of the incident so most likely not little green men. :(

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:15 pm
by williatw

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:37 pm
by Giorgio

Re: Dark matter theories

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:22 pm
by paperburn1
Quick answer before i go to work
No, most of this is many years old and second raw data would not be easier to translate unless one was looking for a specific Item of interest. so WYSIWYG...Tac shack could do better but then we get into the realm of what is releasable and even is known to the public can it be released? bla bla U//FOUO, RELIDO,DIDO nope not going though that for some old video.
As far as I am concerned it is an interesting oddity and no more than that.