A Case for Fusion (Looking for Feedback)

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A Case for Fusion (Looking for Feedback)

Postby mattman » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:37 am

Hey Guys,

Still adjusting, let me know what you think.
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Re: A Case for Fusion (Looking for Feedback)

Postby KitemanSA » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:40 am

First, the graph should by in 1000MW-years, not MW.
Second, the prefix for kilo is a small k, not a capital K.
Third, thorium in a LFTR would be about 800kg.

Just FYI.

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Re: A Case for Fusion (Looking for Feedback)

Postby hanelyp » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:21 pm

Sorry, but the moment you cite Al Gore as a reference you've lost your argument.
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Re: A Case for Fusion (Looking for Feedback)

Postby Roger » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:22 pm

6660 wind turbines generate 1 gigawatt?

GE is @ 4Mw, Vesta is @ 6Mw. Next Gen turbines will be about 45% capacity, but use the current 40%.

625, 4MW turbines=2500Mw times 40%=1 gig.
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Re: A Case for Fusion (Looking for Feedback)

Postby mattman » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:28 am

Conservative, liberal, ect… Al Gore and his supports have put in a serious argument which merits a mention, when it comes to energy discussions. You can agree or disagree with his ideas - but they should be included.


On source material for this picture:

A. Oil, coal, uranium, wind and fusion predictions were from this source, but I think something newer would be better…. Ongena, J., and G. Van Oost. "Energy For Future Centuries Will Fusion Be An Inexhaustible, Safe And Clean Energy Source?" Laboratoire De Physique Des Plasmas, Association EURATOM - Belgian State, 1998. Web. 28 Mar. 2014. http://www.agci.org/dB/PDFs/03S2_MMauel ... ion%3F.pdf

B. Solar Predictions were based on the size of a real plant being built in India: Jai, Shreya. "India to Build World's Largest Solar Power Plant in Rajasthan." The Economic Times. The Economic Times of India, 21 Sept. 2013. Web. 28 Mar. 2014. http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... evelopment

C. Napier Grass predictions came from this paper on a project in Thailand: Vivanpatarakij, Supawat, Weerin Wangjiraniran, Raksanai Nidhiritdhikrai, and Dawan Wiwattanadat. "Potential Study of Electricity Generation 1000 MW with Biogas in Thailand." Advanced Materials Research 622-623 (2012): 1209-212. Print.

D. Cow calculations came from this paper (with conversions) I want to find a better source, Ideally numbers for a real 1000 MW plant. Otaraku, Ipeghan, and Evelyn Ogedengbe. "Biogas Production from Sawdust Waste, Cow Dung and Water Hyacinth-Effect of Sawdust Concentration." International Journal of Application or Innovation in Engineering & Management (IJAIEM) 2013th ser. 2.6 (2013): 91-93. Web. June 2013. <http://www.ijaiem.org/Volume2Issue6/IJAIEM-2013-06-04-002.pdf>.


Obviously were talking about rated capacity here, the maximum power possible.

The wind number probably needs re-examining.

Finally, adding Thorium would be good.

Also, don't argue with me on climate change. There is a 97% consensus in science literature on this - it is happening, we are the reason. There are reams of reports, papers, documents and measurements, stretching back decades. There is also from many national and international organizations.

When it comes to climate change, it's not if it is happening, it is what we can do to stop it? Should commercially viable fusion be part of a solution? If yes, then we need to put cash behind some new fusion ideas. We need to do that now.

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Re: A Case for Fusion (Looking for Feedback)

Postby asdfuogh » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:47 pm

Have you ever heard of The Azimuth Project?

Part of their goals and directions are guided by the idea of "Plan C", as in Plan A is business as usual will fail, Plan B is what happens when we try to fix that mistake, and Plan C is when we fail to fix that mistake (which is highly likely because prevention *now* requires a lot of work that we're not going to put in) and this is the route we should be planning for.

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Re: A Case for Fusion (Looking for Feedback)

Postby KitemanSA » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:22 pm

Bypass them all and go to Plan "L" unless Plan "P" shows enough promise first.


Plan "P" = Polywells.
Plan "L" = LFTRs.


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