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Discuss ways to make polywell research more widely known or better understood. Includes education and outreach.

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Zixinus
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Signitures! We need more signitures!

Post by Zixinus »

A simple yet possibly effective propagan... I mean awareness campaign idea is to put cool signatures in forums people visit.

I already have some primitive ones, here:

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Suck very much, but its a start. I just need to figure out a way to resize them easily.

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Post by jlumartinez »

Propagan is a great idea to spread the news. The difficult thing is try to get the good results of this campaign without being classified as "smoke sellers". We have to take care of not being mixed with cold fusion and all these stuff

We should remember that the only kind of investor that will solve EMC2 needs are great investors. I dough they will convinced with this campaign

It is a good but not perfect idea. It is fine to spread the news. More opinions...

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Post by JoeStrout »

It's not just "great investors" that would solve EMC2's funding needs; regular people would too. I've donated $50; if we could get 99,999 other people to do the same, that'd be $5M, which should be enough to build WB7 and WB8, verify the results, and from there investment for the full-scale power plant should be easy to find.

If we can reach 10 million people, and get 1% of them to cough up $50, then that would do it. Reaching 10 million people shouldn't be too hard these days — there are over 300 million people in the U.S. alone (just a figure I happen to know of the top of my head, but of course there's international benefit to this research).

So I think Zixinus's idea is a fair one; I've been using signatures in my email and usenet posts which point to my Polywell page, which in turn points fairly prominently to this forum.

However, clearly Zixinus needs a bit of help from someone with artistic talent. :) So do I. Does anyone know a graphic artist who could whip up a logo for use on this site, and in places like forum signatures?
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Post by Zixinus »

The difficult thing is try to get the good results of this campaign without being classified as "smoke sellers". We have to take care of not being mixed with cold fusion and all these stuff
We present evidence and argue with sceptics.
We should remember that the only kind of investor that will solve EMC2 needs are great investors. I dough they will convinced with this campaign
The idea is to spread the word, not to convince hot-shot investors. With more people, comes more interest and possibly with investors.
However, clearly Zixinus needs a bit of help from someone with artistic talent. Smile
Yeppers.
Does anyone know a graphic artist who could whip up a logo for use on this site, and in places like forum signatures?
I PMed a guy that runs "The Far Reaches" (http://www.thefarreaches.com/index.php). He said he will take a look, but made no promises. I'll ask some other webcomic artists, but I don't know any personally, so its unlikely.

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Post by Zixinus »

I have troubles resizing. Can anybody help?

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Post by Zixinus »

I've made a new sig, this is for StarDestroyer.net. If anyone wants the full-sized version, ask me and I'll mail it to you. It's too large for imageshack.

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EDIT: corrected a typo.

I've written EMC2's website address wrong. I'll correct it tomorrow.

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Post by Zixinus »

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Here is the fixed and improved image.

Also, you can download the signature for yourself for resizing. http://rapidshare.com/files/45701109/Su ... y.png.html

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Post by JoeStrout »

If you're going to snag my graphic, I'd appreciate it if you include a link to talk-polywell.org as well.

In fact, if you want a single URL, I'd suggest http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/, which links to here (talk-polywell.org) as well as to emc2fusion.org.
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Post by Zixinus »

If you're going to snag my graphic, I'd appreciate it if you include a link to talk-polywell.org as well.
Sure thing, and sorry for snagging your logo without asking.
In fact, if you want a single URL, I'd suggest http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/, which links to here (talk-polywell.org) as well as to emc2fusion.org.
That's where the sig will lead. emc2fusion.org and polywell.org are more "official" sites however.

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Not sure...

Post by gblaze42 »

It's all good and well that Bussards polywell works, I truly believe it and I only discovered this form of fusion a couple of months ago, but what may be causing a problem with acceptance is the grand claims. They may be even true, but in todays society of of "over hyped" commercialism, it may be a deterrent. What Bussard really needs to do is push the physical and engineering reality. Pushing the fact that "it will change the world" within 6 years, I believe will only harm his cause.

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Post by Zixinus »

They may be even true, but in todays society of of "over hyped" commercialism, it may be a deterrent.
From what exactly? Charlatans with nonsensical claims get more money then some promising branches of scientific research.
What Bussard really needs to do is push the physical and engineering reality.
That's what we want to do as well. I myself am not interested in theoretical musings.
Pushing the fact that "it will change the world" within 6 years, I believe will only harm his cause.
The thing will be DEVELOPED in 6 years (at best, most likely a decade). How fast it will change the world is entirely unpredictable. What is important that we will LIVE to ultimately see it change the world.

And we need to push the fast development time. Nobody cares about a research project that *might* wield results after half a century.

ITER already would cost more then the Space Shuttle, eats up 85% of fusion money the USA has, and yet its advocates still think its way underfunded. When will we get anything with it? In the 2020's or 2030's. If building isn't further delayed. We *might* see a power plant easily surpassed by fission designs for a thousandth of the money required by 2050's. I'll have grandkids by then.

I agree that Polywell should work primary towards building a rock-solid scientific and engineering foundation, but spreading the word is our main tread of hope we can do right now. Next to trying to replicate the thing, like Mr.Simon is doing. If we can induce discussion, we can help the cause.

Furthermore, you misunderstand the purpose of this site. We're not advisor of EMC2, we are mere supporters trying to help spread the word best we can.

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Post by gblaze42 »

The thing will be DEVELOPED in 6 years (at best, most likely a decade). How fast it will change the world is entirely unpredictable. What is important that we will LIVE to ultimately see it change the world.

And we need to push the fast development time. Nobody cares about a research project that *might* wield results after half a century.

ITER already would cost more then the Space Shuttle, eats up 85% of fusion money the USA has, and yet its advocates still think its way underfunded. When will we get anything with it? In the 2020's or 2030's. If building isn't further delayed. We *might* see a power plant easily surpassed by fission designs for a thousandth of the money required by 2050's. I'll have grandkids by then.

I agree that Polywell should work primary towards building a rock-solid scientific and engineering foundation, but spreading the word is our main tread of hope we can do right now. Next to trying to replicate the thing, like Mr.Simon is doing. If we can induce discussion, we can help the cause.

Furthermore, you misunderstand the purpose of this site. We're not advisor of EMC2, we are mere supporters trying to help spread the word best we can.
I can see where I may have come across to strong, I apologize it wasn't my intentions. I guess I've seen technologies just get passed by because of the "to good to be true" factor.
I too want to see a working fusion power in my time, I believe polywell can be it. As an engineer, I am on board to do what ever I can personally to increase awareness for polywell fusion.





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Post by Zixinus »

Polywell does smell a bit, and may sound "too good to be true", but both Dr.Krall and Dr.Bussard admits that there are problems that are not unsolvable, but are very difficult.

Yes, I know we should try not to push the "too good to be true" reflex, and the only honest solution I think is telling that there are some great task before us, before the first power plant will have its heat source from fusion product created by Polywell. There are also some rather problematic solutions not fully developed, like electron and fuel insertion.
I'm unsure what the issues are exactly, but I'm sure that someone here can tell you them.

Anyway, has anyone else tried to make a good signature?

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Post by Zixinus »

New signature. Improved and now spell-checked.

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Website

Post by xevioso »

I am a website designer and developer. I work with branding and identity companies all the time in the San Francisco area. I design full-fledged websites and build them as well, in Flash, HTML and CSS. I'm more than happy to volunteer to work on a logo, but I'm also interested in helping to develop a really professional website that can be used as a repository of information, a branding engine for the Polywell project and also a place to attract investors if preferable.

The main step is to consider who your audience is...is sounds like serious investment is needed at this point but also a way of letting people know about the project and where it stands.

All of the sites I have seen so far are primarily information-based, with no design considerations, which can be very important when trying to make an idea look serious to investors or the public. It would need to be built probably primarily in HTML and CSS with some flash additions, and then additional smaller sites might need to be set up to increase the site's visibility to search engines over time. I could also built it to allow people to donate to the project or to contact em2fusion if preferable.

Anyways, let me know if anyone thinks this would be useful.

--Jeremy

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