clonan wrote:The please provide a link to your figures. I would be VERY interested in seeing them.
In truth, I should have demanded that you supply the source for your figures. You are the one making the unfounded assertions. However, since you asked, this is one of the sites I consulted. I'll let you dig around in there and satisfy yourself that I am not pulling your leg. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php
clonan wrote:Huh? Why would the federal budget have any bearing on AIG's money? Or are you talking about the distribution of money? You are aware that the average HOUSEHOLD income in the US is 44K. You are aware that 100K HOUSEHOLD income puts you in the top 3%.
The overwhelming majority of the Federal Budget is devoted to socialist programs and it has been that way since Lyndon Baines Johnson defeated Barry Goldwater. The Republicans you are so quick to gripe about have done absolutely NOTHING to reduce this kind of expenditure. They want to brag about how they have and you and yours like to cry about how they have, but they haven't done any such thing.
clonan wrote:I do wonder why because the "liberals" were talking about re nationalizing Fannie and Freedie and zeroing out investors...a real boon for those finance investors...
Yes, and Maxine Waters has been threatening to nationalize the oil companies. That changes absolutely NOTHING about what they actually did on the floor of the US House and Senate. Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac are as about as independent of the Federal government as the US Postal Service. That is to say, they have never been and are not now actually separate from the Federal government. Their "private" nature is completely bogus and has been from the start of their existence.
clonan wrote:Good for you! But you obviously haven't met many politicians...they are always very good at making you THINK you can trust them.
I was a member of the Republican National Committee for several years, clonan. I know whereof I speak. No, I am NOT rich. No, I most certainly never will be. I decided that I don't want to be. I would have to play your nasty little game to keep the money. I would rather have the time than I had the money.
clonan wrote:I must disagree with you here. Most media is OWNED by right or right leaning people. Fox news, MSNBC, Disney, Universal etc.
Disagree with me all you bloody well please, it will not change the facts. Rupert Murdoc is a self-avowed socialist. MSNBC has the most far out on the left news coverage and commentary as there is to find, sometimes even further to the left than Current. CNN is still run by the people that Ted Fonda and her wife put in place. Where are you from?
clonan wrote:As you point out I am a liberal and proud of it. I can tell you that I and EVERY liberal I know thinks it is absolutely disgusting to try and force everyone to be the same. Not only is it stupid but it is impossible.
Okay, so I'll lay it on you straight. You are either a completely delusional idiot, or you are a practiced liar. Take your pick. What you are claiming is by no means or in any way a reflection of the real world.
clonan wrote:The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals believe that individuals often need support to START to improve themselves where as those that already succeeded can better fend for themselves.
If your friends on the left were serious about such help for the legal citizens of the United States you would have long ago done something about controlling our border with Mexico. I could fend for myself a lot better if I did not have you and yours treating me as though I were as wealthy as Bill Gates.
clonan wrote:Conservatives feel that without protection the wealth will be lost. Personally, I have far more confidence in the successful.
Now you just proved that you don't know jack-diddly about conservatives.
clonan wrote:I have been poor and I am currently rich. I know I could end up poor again and I know I could become rich again if I needed too.
Hooray for you. Let me know how well you are doing four years from now--assuming that forums like this one are not then being policed.
clonan wrote:Those who have already ... THEN rich should pay more to help the poor start the journey to becoming rich.
If you really meant this, you would be out championing the phase-out of Social Security.
clonan wrote:I and everyone I know STRONGLY feel that all people should have food, shelter and basic education. EVERYTHING else must be earned. A car is a luxury and must be earned through work. TV is a luxury and must be earned through work. Eating out is a luxury and must be earned.
Yeah, right! Forty acres and a mule. I wonder how much longer you and your leftist buddies are going to keep telling that lie.
Here is what I think. If you have a problem, you need to recognize that it is YOUR problem, not a problem that someone else is obliged to solve for you. Why? Because if you ask someone else to solve your problem, they will solve it in a way that suits them best. The Democrats are supremely good at that and so are the Republicans.
Here is the real deal. Never take your problems to the government. The government might actually try to solve your problem and you will be in real trouble. Let's just hope that ice cream makers do not decide that they need a bail out. We'll be having frozen feces in our parfait.