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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby Diogenes » Thu May 26, 2016 9:48 pm

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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby DeltaV » Fri May 27, 2016 1:48 am

Don't forget Hillarious.

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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby hanelyp » Fri May 27, 2016 2:58 am

If we know where key Iranian nuclear facilities are, a strike with a few submarine launched missiles of ambiguous nationality is very tempting.
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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby Tom Ligon » Fri May 27, 2016 4:09 am

How ambiguous are submarine-launched missiles, exactly? Especially ones that can hit their targets.

Unless they are nuclear, the resulting frag would be identifiable. If nuclear, the list of possible nations responsible gets very short.

I like the idea of ambiguous malfunctions, explosions, fires, computer viruses, etc. Just think carefully about the delivery method.

No apparent delivery method is always the best way.

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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby williatw » Fri May 27, 2016 4:41 am


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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby ladajo » Fri May 27, 2016 12:20 pm

Personally, I do not think that Iran has NUCWEPs yet. I believe this is pure rhetoric.

The hardliners just took a beating in the election, and this is their way of saying "we are still here". It, IMHO, is really just childish whining.

As for striking Iranian capabilities, I firmly believe if we wanted to do it in an attributeless way, we could.
I also think, that if we are going to do it, that we do it sooner than later. Unfortunately, that idiot in the WH will not. It really is going to take decades to undo the damage that moron has done to US standing on the world stage, if ever.
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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby paperburn1 » Fri May 27, 2016 1:48 pm

I am not a nuclear physicist, but play one on the internet.

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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby paperburn1 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:43 pm

sort of kind of, the tamper would be the easiest to get an idea of where it was manufactured and you could probable narrow down to a region where the material was mined. the plant it was processed at would also give a good indication. Combining all three together you could make a very good guess at where the device came from. All bets are off if the got all material from the black market
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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby choff » Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:23 pm

We don't have leaders, we have managers. Leaders fix the problem, managers manage the problem, if they fixed it, they wouldn't be needed. To quote Lex Luthor, nobody wants war, they just want to keep the threat alive.
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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby Diogenes » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:13 pm

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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby Diogenes » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:01 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby williatw » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:18 pm


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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby paperburn1 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:42 pm

Or we could pull back a little and stop being the policemen of the middle east. Lets certain countries invest their treasure and resources into this fight
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Re: Second Worst President in US History.

Postby ladajo » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:59 pm

This article made my circles really fast, and IMHO was timed and (in a sense) alarmist on purpose for political reasons.

That said, it is not wrong. As I stated to some in my circles when it first posted, "Peter is flat broke, and so is Paul".

We really are in a hole, and it is going to take some time to dig out. One of the key issues, is that even if we fully fund the readiness cycle, there is not capacity in the maintenance component to increase recovery of assets any faster. That part of the system is maxed due to the condition of the systems they are dealing with once they get them. What we can do with full funding is get the preventive maintenance back on track, as well as the predictive. That, over time will burn down the emergent maintenance growths that currently plague the force created by overuse, and lack of full attention at the lowest level possible. Currently, any systems entering deep maintenance are doomed to overruns and extensions as the true depth of required work becomes uncovered. The funds will also allow us to get back to the operational training levels we have forgone. It will cost about $2 Billion per year to buy back readiness for the navy, and probably take five years or maybe more to get to adequate levels / tempo.

In 2012 I reported to the then CNO that the navy was in a "Circle of Spiraling Death", vice a "Readiness Circle of Life". Nothing really changed since then, other than Peter running out of money to steal.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)


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