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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby DeltaV » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:05 pm

Lockheed's New Laser Super Turret Could Change Air Combat Forever


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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby hanelyp » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:05 pm

I'm guessing the answers are classified, but what kind of effective range and required time on target does the laser have? And how effective would optical coating or active cooling countermeasures be?
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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby GIThruster » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:17 pm

My questions as well, but I'd note this is for a turret, including the focussing system. I'm not certain it includes the laser itself, which is still a large part of the challenge. There's all sorts of blather about putting them in F-35's etc., but I'm not familiar with any laser with the power/mass necessary to be used as a conventional weapon. Against other aircraft for example, you need pretty quick kills. Missiles work really well. I doubt we'll be trading them in anytime soon, especially since they can kill outside visual range. Now killing the missiles themselves, that would be interesting. And something that could protect a B-1 Missile Mothership like what Rand has recommended would be most welcome.

http://alert5.com/2011/03/03/rand-recom ... -fighters/

I think it was on the History Channel I saw the animation of this: a B-1 carrying a score of longer range missiles flies in and blasts huge numbers of enemy fighters from out of range of their weapons. Seems a very effective tactic to me, and if you can keep the mothership safe from any missiles that get in range with a laser turret, all the better.
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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby paperburn1 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:26 pm

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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby Skipjack » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:55 pm

And furthering my point that networked manned and unmanned bombers and fighters are the future of air combat:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/01/next-g ... .html#more
Cheaper and faster than a B2 too. Yes, this is a bomber, but faster than the B2. Combine that with reconnaissance drones and you have only the air superiority fighters left and I wonder how long before those are going to be unmanned (or some of them unmanned in a team with manned fighters).

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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby GIThruster » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:42 pm

I have to say as much as I love the idea of a next gen bomber, I think this is a very poor idea at the current time.

First off, lets dispense with the ridiculous notion that this is an $80B program. This is a $300B program at the least. It could easily run upward of $500B by the time LockMart gets through bilking the American public.

Second lets look at all the kinds of smart expenses this would replace.

The first arguments people lobbying for bomber funds will make, will be that assets like the BOne are aging and need to be replaced. In fact, the B1 does not need to be replaced. It could use a refit, with another updated radar, and the ability to haul 60 tons of missiles. The History Channel did a very nice treatment of this a couple years or so ago, examining this new application of the BOne, where it flies in as support to attacking groups of fighters and when a target launches its defense, it launches huge amounts of what are under normal conditions ground to air missiles, but specially adapted for extremely long range air-to-air use. The BOne then completely eliminates entire squadrons of enemy combatants in a single volley.

The main requirement for this is really good radar, but that requirement is far cheaper than building a new bomber we will probably never use. And please just note, we are still using 1950's technology battle rifles. Cruise missiles are astonishingly cheaper than bombers. And especially note right now, by far the greatest threat to our national security, is our indecent and idiotic spending. Both entitlements and defense need to be cut deeply, and that is not going to happen if we decide to spend $300B on a new bomber. I'm sure we can build an improved B2. The question is should we? Seems to me there are so many other things that are more urgent, that it is foolish to entertain such things.
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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby Skipjack » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:53 pm

And as predicted, fighters are next... "optionally manned" and networked.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/01/fa-xx- ... .html#more

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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby Skipjack » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:47 pm

Remote controlled F16s... for targets... for now...
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/04/03 ... cnn-boeing

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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby Skipjack » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:35 pm

US Navy Secretary Wants to Stop Using Fighter Pilots in Favor of Drones
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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby ltgbrown » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:01 am

I wonder when the last aircraft carrier will be bought? Imagine a strike group with an E-2D system in an aerostat overhead (24/7 by the way) and a fleet of drones (that could have substantially different takeoff and landing requirements, thus smaller and denser flight decks). Would we still need Nimitz/Ford class size aircraft carriers?

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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby GIThruster » Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:42 pm

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Re: Since we had this discussion about UAVs and F22s etc...

Postby paperburn1 » Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:35 pm

Or not


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