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We are Doomed! DOOOOOMMED I say!

Postby Diogenes » Thu May 27, 2010 7:18 pm

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Postby Diogenes » Thu May 27, 2010 8:51 pm


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Postby Diogenes » Thu May 27, 2010 9:08 pm


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Postby choff » Fri May 28, 2010 4:35 am

I don't think the feminists are at all responsible for the declining birth rate. Rather, as Adam Smith pointed out, labour is a commodity that responds to supply and demand like everything else. Just look at a graph of unemployment going up and real wages going down over time, and you will see a corresponding decline in the birth rate. Kids are expensive, people have them when they can afford them.
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Postby olivier » Fri May 28, 2010 6:55 am

You may say whatever you like of the welfare state but please, do not blame it for the low birth rates.
Differences in fertility rates in Europe are best explained by the level of government support to day care (all kind: either non-profit or for profit, at home or in kindergarten,).Like it or not, a high level of support leads to a high fertility rate (2.0 in France, where government support to families existed way before the invention of socialism), a low level to low fertility (1.3 in Spain, Germany and Italy).
It is not really influenced by religion or culture (compare Italy and France) nor a matter of women's employment rate: Italy has the lowest women's employment rate and the lowest fertility rate in Europe.
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Postby Skipjack » Fri May 28, 2010 9:25 am


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Postby olivier » Fri May 28, 2010 10:51 am

The Austrian way of life or the fresh air of the Alps must be boosting the birth rate within the Turkish families. 8)
To be serious, it is true that immigrants have more kids. In France, the increase in fertility due to immigrants accounts for .1 of the 2.0 fertility rate. No big deal.
Having said that, the largest population of immigrants in France comes from Algeria. 's fertility rate (1.8 ) is lower than that of (2.0). The same for (1.9).
There are many clichés about demography and immigration. Never forget how immigration was beneficial to the USA and made it the country with the highest population growth rate in the world, far beyond China or India. This was true in the 19th century, and even more so in the 20th.

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Postby Skipjack » Fri May 28, 2010 12:31 pm

The issue is that the people that immigrate to Austria from Turkey usually come from rural and poor areas like Anatolia. Since Austria does not have a more selective immigration policy as the US has (something I have been promoting), we get... well lets say we get those that are less educated (and more religiously fanatic) than the average population in Turkey. These elements are those that have the most children in Turkey as well.
I suspect that the same is true for France as well.

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Postby Diogenes » Fri May 28, 2010 6:48 pm


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