If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby ladajo » Mon May 05, 2014 8:25 pm

Just know that anything I say I don't do it in anger. :)

More sea stories when the time and place feels right.
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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby ltgbrown » Tue May 06, 2014 9:06 am

I have one.

In 1998 I was in the Persian Gulf when the largest darn thunderstorm I have ever seen moved from Iran out over the water. Normally, not that big a deal except it was nightime, I was flying, and the storm parked itself over the carrier. They cancelled the next launch and diverted everyone to Kuwait except for my plane (a Hawkeye with 5 people onboard, including my Skipper in the back) and an S-3. The S-3 and I found a hole in the clouds caused by a 500 foot high flame from one of the gazillion oil platforms in the gulf. That flame is famous for always being there and always being unbelievably huge. So huge, it created this nice bubble of clear air for the two of us to circle around opposite each other for over an hour waiting for the next recovery.

When it came time to push to the carrier, it was about the darkest I had ever seen (the darkest is another story!); except for the moments of complete illumination caused by the lightening. We dropped down to 1200 feet and proceeded into the carrier. Being below a thunderstorm, you can imagine the turbulence. It was so bad, that all three NFOs, including my Skipper, got airsick. My Skipper even suggested that if I wanted to divert, we could. Being a good arrogant Naval Aviator, I looked at it more as a chance to test my piloting skills than a stupidly insane thing to do. As we proceeded inbound, we flew past numerous other oil platforms burning off gas (no where near the size of the "big flame" though), causing a surreal environment of near total darkness with small flames passing by the plane as we proceeded inbound; with the occasional slam of air turbulence every 3-10 seconds. We called the ball at 3/4 of mile (visibility was actually quite good as there was no rain) and immediately went from a ball high to a ball low to a ball high again. The wind over the deck was changing by 30-50 knots in seconds as I continued the approach. But that was not the best part. As we got closer, the lightening intensified. At a mile, just before calling the ball, the copilot and I could start to make out things on the flight deck from the flashes of lightening. Normally, all you can see is the landing area lights and the ball (visual landing aid that gives glideslope information. looks like a ball in between (hopefully) two horizontal lines. Two balls high is dangerously high. Two balls low and you can kill yourself (or in my case, myself and four others)). On this approach though, I could see tractors, tow bars, planes, and people moving all over the flight deck in little snap shots like from a dance club. I never realized the landing area was so full of stuff while I was trying to land on it until that night.

The ball moved up and down of its seemingly own volition. I repeatedly hit the stops as I slammed the power levers all way up and all the back to flight idle. I used every trick in the book to keep the ball just on the lens, much less in the center. Trying to keep the plane on speed was even more difficult as the gusts seemed to only get stronger as we came closer to the back of the ship. Finally, the planed slammed into the deck with the ball somewhere near the center but coming down fast and we came to stop. Going from the violence of the landing to relative calmness of taxiing on the stable flight deck was a little unnerving. My legs (which shook after all of my 300+ night landings) were shaking extra hard and I had to concentrate on controlling the brakes as we taxied around the flightdeck with our whirling vegetable cutters in the windy conditions, surrounded by hundreds of 18-22 year old sailors standing on a metal flight deck in the middle of the Persian Gulf under one of the most intense thunderstorms I have ever seen. Once we shut down and got out of the plane, the usual 5-10 minute post flight inspection and conversation with the maintenance guys turned into a 30 second walk around and run for the nearest hatch to get below.

I and the S-3 were only the planes to get aboard. The others that tried went back to Kuwait, refueled, and waited for the storm to pass, coming back several hours later. It took several hours to come down off the adrenline rush. I got an OK 1 wire, the only OK 1 wire in my career. Lots of No Grade 1 wires, but only one OK 1 wire.

The other story some time later.
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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby Skipjack » Tue May 06, 2014 1:21 pm

Very cool story! Thanks for sharing! If I was Tom Clancy, I would put that (and ladajo's) into my next novel ;)

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby Skipjack » Tue May 06, 2014 1:22 pm

On the topic of the X47b, here is another report. More carrier tests and integration with manned aircraft operations:
http://www.gizmag.com/x-47b-manned-airc ... ion/31919/

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby ladajo » Tue May 06, 2014 7:57 pm

Nice Pucker story Glenn. Sometimes it is pure will...
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby GIThruster » Mon May 12, 2014 6:51 pm

Okay, so who can watch the vid and not think this thing is cool?

"Ironhorse"

http://gizmodo.com/the-new-king-of-high ... 1574031173
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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby Skipjack » Mon May 12, 2014 7:16 pm

Very cool, but I think you wanted to post this in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5384

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby Skipjack » Mon May 12, 2014 7:59 pm

In the context of drones, there seems to be a half step from manned aircraft to UAV:
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/dangerroom_0422_autopilot/

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby GIThruster » Mon May 12, 2014 8:08 pm

Skynet here we come. . .or worse. When you don't have to have a concern whether your forces will follow an illegal or otherwise outrageous order, where is the safety net?

And what happens when this sort of technology makes itself into Pakistani, or North Korean, or Iranian hands?
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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby ladajo » Tue May 13, 2014 12:36 pm

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby DeltaV » Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:45 pm


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Re: If we had just kept the F-22 production line funded...

Postby choff » Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:04 pm

There's a new problem with the F35. :D

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/news/the ... vi-BBv9IUC
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