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Re: Go Navy!

Postby Diogenes » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:23 pm

I have a Navy question.



In 1861, what was the difference in rank between the Captain of a Ship and a Navy Lieutenant?
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Re: Go Navy!

Postby paperburn1 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:12 pm

The highest rank available to an American naval officer when the war began was that of captain. (The Confederate constitution provided for the rank of admiral, but it was to be awarded for valor in battle. ) This created problems when many ships had to operate together, with no clearly established chain of command. Even worse, when the Navy worked with the Army in joint operations, the customary rank equivalency between the two services meant that the naval captain, equivalent to an army colonel, would always be inferior to every army general present. After the existing arrangement had been used for the first year of the war, the case was made that the interests of the nation would be better served by organizing the Navy along lines more like that of the Royal Navy of Great Britain. A set of officer ranks was established in the summer of 1862 that precisely matched the set of Army ranks. The most visible change was that henceforth some individuals would be designated commodore, rear admiral, vice admiral, and finally admiral, all new formal ranks, and equivalent to, respectively, brigadier general, major general, lieutenant general, and general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Navy Has the total rank structure.
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Re: Go Navy!

Postby Diogenes » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:52 pm

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby Tom Ligon » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:21 pm

Navy Captain is supposed to be about the same as Army Colonel.

You can be skipper of a ship without being Captain. An interesting case study in Navy rank is the career of David Farragut.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Farragut

His first command of a Naval vessel was at age 12. He was a Midshipman on the Essex in the War of 1812, and was given command of a prize ship, giving him the position of prize master. He rose thru the ranks and became the first US Admiral.

He was best known for "darn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead." Not those words exactly, because the forum has a filter that changes the first word.

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby paperburn1 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:12 am

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby ladajo » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:34 pm

Another article discussing the broader issue, and provides more details on what I was talking about:

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby paperburn1 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:59 am

Officially..... the military must maintain the highest level of conduct and this is unacceptable.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... in-the-sky

unofficially...... this is a million times better than any prank I pulled when I was in the service. I am impressed, if I was him I would claim a O2 failure made me have a hypoxic lack of judgment

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... rs-t-21177
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Re: Go Navy!

Postby ltgbrown » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:16 pm

While I might not support the result, one has to acknowledge the planning and skill required to produce a recognizable figure. However, I am guessing fuel dump was used, bringing the environmental issues into play in characterizing this stunt of significant airmanship!

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby ladajo » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:17 pm

I suspect you are correct. And, maybe they should have popped some flares once the maneuver was completed. A giant flaming penis would have been talked about for 1,000 years...
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby Betruger » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:29 pm

A sight for sore eyes.

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby Taliesin » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:06 am

Imagine a Navy equipped with this tech if it comes to fruition.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 192754.htm

A Gerald R.Ford carrier with its 700MW power plant and minimal drag or submarines with minimal drag.

It would definitely require a strategy rethink.

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby paperburn1 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:39 pm

I suppose it had to happen but are they really getting at the root cause of the problem?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1F6017
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Re: Go Navy!

Postby ladajo » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:52 pm

Nope. While there is a responsibility at the command level, the real root lays above them in my opinion. However, I don't expect any time soon for C3F, ATGPAC, SURFPAC, or USFF to fall on their culpable swords.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby paperburn1 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:09 pm

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Re: Go Navy!

Postby paperburn1 » Sat May 05, 2018 11:41 pm

Hey guys, it looks like they are getting the band back together. 8)

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/38635 ... a-tensions
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