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Postby JLawson » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:28 pm

When opinion and reality conflict - guess which one is going to win in the long run.

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Postby Diogenes » Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:39 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
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Postby ladajo » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:21 pm

A .357 is a poor choice for home defense. Especially if you have family around the house. That round will keep on trucking.

A shotgun with light birdshot is good. You can kill if confronted, but it is unlikely to penetrate drywalls with any real force left. And every idiot on the planet knows that sound of a shotgun pump. What they don't know is what it is loaded with, but will assume the worst, and will brain amplify that muzzle to about 6 inches in diameter when they are looking at it pointed at them.
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Postby GIThruster » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:38 pm

Frangible ammo is available for the .357 that will stop it from doing much damage once it contacts sheetrock. Remington's "Disintigrator" ammo is an example of ammo made specifically to avoid the trouble Iadajo is noting--that you really don't want to shoot through a wall and kill someone by accident.

Whatever you use for home defense, its important to consider in advance whether you intend to do as convention dictates and hide behind your bed with the weapon pointed at the bedroom door, or if you intend to ignore conventional wisdom and run search and destroy missions in your home when you hear a noise. If every time you hear a noise you plan to call the police, then a shotgun is a good choice. If your state supports use of lethal force to protect yourself and your property, as for instance does TX and OR, and you plan to go investigate every time you hear a noise, then a handgun is easier to retain control of in close quarters and is a better choice so long as you're proficient.

I am not recommending search and destroy missions in the home. When I lived in Portland, in a neighborhood adjacent to a bad part of town, I trained my wife to hide behind the bed and point the .357 at the door, while calling the police, if ever she was alarmed when I was not home. That is the safest bet. Safest apart from having a dog in the home, which is enough a deterrent that firearms are unnecessary.
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Postby Diogenes » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:19 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
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Postby GIThruster » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:09 pm

"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis

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Postby ladajo » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:17 pm

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Postby choff » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:08 pm

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