And you guys thought *I* was nuts.

[Diogenes]

I point out that what is considered evil now, will not remain so if the current trajectory is followed. Most of you libertarian types pooh pooh the notion that things which you currently consider evil will eventually change to become legal and acceptable. You dismiss as nonsense any evidence which shows a trend towards such societal change.


Well guess what the Leftists were doing back in 1968?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zei ... 79,00.html


Also posted in the thread: " Evil? Now perhaps. Later? Not so much.


Tell me again how such a thing will never happen.

[Betruger]

You don't get it.

[ScottL]

He never will, but I blame that on life experience. My guess would be that he grew up in a conservative white mid-west town and his exposure to anything other than the views there are limited to what Fox News tells him. It's ok to be conservative as long as it is a well informed decision based on more than a myopic view.

[Diogenes]

He never will, but I blame that on life experience. My guess would be that he grew up in a conservative white mid-west town and his exposure to anything other than the views there are limited to what Fox News tells him. It's ok to be conservative as long as it is a well informed decision based on more than a myopic view.

Judging by the posturing in your comment, whatever it is that *I* don't get, you presumably do. Fine, then why don't you explain to those who may be interested, what it is that *I* do not "get" in the context of the left's efforts to legitimize what is currently considered child molestation?

If you have a reasonable answer for this, then i'm all ears.

[Skipjack]

The greens are nutbags, IMHO. They wont get through with that though...

[Diogenes]

The greens are nutbags, IMHO. They wont get through with that though...

The greens are just a further evolved version of the current left. I've been studying the left for a very long time, and in my opinion the ones that are not crazy or stupid/ignorant are simply power hungry and corrupt.


I saw this the other day. It doesn't cover the crazies, but its got quite a bit of the rest of it about right.

[ScottL]

He never will, but I blame that on life experience. My guess would be that he grew up in a conservative white mid-west town and his exposure to anything other than the views there are limited to what Fox News tells him. It's ok to be conservative as long as it is a well informed decision based on more than a myopic view.

Judging by the posturing in your comment, whatever it is that *I* don't get, you presumably do. Fine, then why don't you explain to those who may be interested, what it is that *I* do not "get" in the context of the left's efforts to legitimize what is currently considered child molestation?

If you have a reasonable answer for this, then i'm all ears.

Math says,

P -> Q (P implies Q)
P
~Q (there for Q)

P = legitimizes molestation, Q = belonging to Left movement:

Q does not necessarily imply P, Correlation does not imply causation, your child molestation argument is a logical fallacy, a rather grotesque generalization on your part. If your argument were true, then the right would have to be gay racist homophobes who sleep with their sisters....which I find patently absurd.

As for what you don't get, it's society in general. Either you lack real world experience outside of white suburbia/white mid-west, or you lack empathy for your fellow man which ithen you'd be classified a sociopath. I assume its the lack of experience, but I could be wrong.

As a side note, I'm not "leftist" and I'm not Democrat, however; I vote along those lines because they are the closest to my views. Unfortunately they fail me constantly, just not as much as the Republican/conservative view.

[Diogenes]

He never will, but I blame that on life experience. My guess would be that he grew up in a conservative white mid-west town and his exposure to anything other than the views there are limited to what Fox News tells him. It's ok to be conservative as long as it is a well informed decision based on more than a myopic view.

Judging by the posturing in your comment, whatever it is that *I* don't get, you presumably do. Fine, then why don't you explain to those who may be interested, what it is that *I* do not "get" in the context of the left's efforts to legitimize what is currently considered child molestation?

If you have a reasonable answer for this, then i'm all ears.

Math says,

P -> Q (P implies Q)
P
~Q (there for Q)

P = legitimizes molestation, Q = belonging to Left movement:

Q does not necessarily imply P, Correlation does not imply causation, your child molestation argument is a logical fallacy, a rather grotesque generalization on your part.

Actually, you are being too specific. The left embraces virtually everything which is traditionally considered evil. Child Molestation is just a subset of the overall genre. They go farther with murder, disease, famine, theft, and all sorts of other aspects of "Evil." The basic rule of thumb is "if it's considered "Normal and Traditional" it has to go. "

If your argument were true, then the right would have to be gay racist homophobes who sleep with their sisters....which I find patently absurd.

You refer to logical fallacies, and immediately invoke a non sequitur? How does my assertion that the Left likes to continuously stretch the boundaries of "normal" imply that the right "would have to be gay racist homophobes who sleep with their sisters." It implies the exact opposite. Trying to follow your tortured logic reminds me of this.

As for what you don't get, it's society in general. Either you lack real world experience outside of white suburbia/white mid-west, or you lack empathy for your fellow man which ithen you'd be classified a sociopath. I assume its the lack of experience, but I could be wrong.

Sociopath? Yes. Trying to warn people about where their road leads is exactly what a sociopath would do. You speak of "experience." That is amusing because "experience" is the lessons learned from the past, which is EXACTLY the point I am trying to convey.

Mankind has Millenniums of experience, and we have been down this road before. It works out the same each time; That the left refuses to be bounded by past lessons is the core of the problem in it's simplest expression.

As a side note, I'm not "leftist" and I'm not Democrat, however; I vote along those lines because they are the closest to my views. Unfortunately they fail me constantly, just not as much as the Republican/conservative view.

Well, if I thought the conservative view included people who "would have to be gay racist homophobes who sleep with their sisters", then I wouldn't have anything to do with them either. Fortunately for everyone, you are merely misinformed and can learn better.

Whether or not you chose to do so is up to you. I will point out that the "left" has killed more people than all other movement in Human History, and i'm not even counting AIDS, Abortion, and Drugs. I am only counting Leftest governments who have gotten into power. Let me acquaint you with this Pamphlet; "Prairie Fire" which was Written by Barack Obama's good friend, William Ayers.






And here is one of the Weather Underground Members recounting a conversation with William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn.

“Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can’t re-educate, that are die-hard capitalists?” And the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they’d have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/10 ... pitalists/

That you think the "lite" version of these people is an improvement over the conservatives can only be explained by your lack of familiarity with either group. I would urge you to learn about both sides, and then I think "A Miracle will occur" . I think you will grow up.

[ScottL]

You clarified enough for me, you have my empathy.

[choff]

These days for fun I watch Bill Still videos or listen to Brian Gerrish talks on the internet. It's a great hobby, started because I'm fond of non-fiction books and truth is stranger than fiction, and people who believe in conspiracies are non-fictional, even if some conspiracies are.

Did you know the Soviet Communists were bankrolled by international finance, same as the Nazis. Fun fact about my own country, in '74 the national debt was only $18 billion. That was the year the feds stopped spending money they printed and started borrowing from the banks at interest. They only borrowed about $40 billion more, but because of the miracle of compound interest, the total debt now stands at about $400 billion. There's a court case over it now, the outcome will be interesting.

[TDPerk]

Betruger- "You don't get it."

He certainly doesn't get it that these people failed, so they are not evidence supporting his dire predictions.

[ladajo]

Betruger- "You don't get it."

He certainly doesn't get it that these people failed, so they are not evidence supporting his dire predictions.

Did they? Or did they manage to move the 'general consenses' are bit more to the left, and thus as I take D's premise, move the overall idea a bit closer to victory?

[Diogenes]

Betruger- "You don't get it."

He certainly doesn't get it that these people failed, so they are not evidence supporting his dire predictions.

By what standard can you adjudge them to have failed? They have one of their own in the White House do they not? He has overturned the (Since before we were a nation) ban on Homosexuals in the Military, he is currently trying to force Catholic Hospitals to perform/pay for abortions, He has contributed mightily to the future enslavement of us and our children to pay the massive debts ran up by he and his ilk, (Roosevelt, Johnson, Carter, Clinton) All the while he and "Michelle Antoinette" Party (at taxpayer expense) like it's 1999! He has shipped guns to Mexico so that the violence thereby created will justify the taking of guns from Americans, he has advanced the cause of the Socialist left in numerous and sundry ways. He has handed power and money to just about every left wing nut group on his list of contributors.

How do you count this as a failure? It might not be a total victory, but it certainly leads in that direction. A few years ago, Homeland Security was told to watch out for American Patriotic types, because they might cause a terrorist attack or something. They walked it back, but had the public been more supportive they would likely have expanded it.

They may yet get their "re-education" camps.

[Diogenes]

You clarified enough for me, you have my empathy.

Whatever. Let me introduce you to a new word.


"Oikophobia." It is the closest thing to a single word description of the left.

The British philosopher Roger Scruton has coined a term to describe this attitude: oikophobia. Xenophobia is fear of the alien; oikophobia is fear of the familiar: "the disposition, in any conflict, to side with 'them' against 'us', and the felt need to denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are identifiably 'ours.'

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 02824.html

[ScottL]

Betruger- "You don't get it."

He certainly doesn't get it that these people failed, so they are not evidence supporting his dire predictions.

By what standard can you adjudge them to have failed? They have one of their own in the White House do they not? He has overturned the (Since before we were a nation) ban on Homosexuals in the Military, he is currently trying to force Catholic Hospitals to perform/pay for abortions, He has contributed mightily to the future enslavement of us and our children to pay the massive debts ran up by he and his ilk, (Roosevelt, Johnson, Carter, Clinton) All the while he and "Michelle Antoinette" Party (at taxpayer expense) like it's 1999! He has shipped guns to Mexico so that the violence thereby created will justify the taking of guns from Americans, he has advanced the cause of the Socialist left in numerous and sundry ways. He has handed power and money to just about every left wing nut group on his list of contributors.

How do you count this as a failure? It might not be a total victory, but it certainly leads in that direction. A few years ago, Homeland Security was told to watch out for American Patriotic types, because they might cause a terrorist attack or something. They walked it back, but had the public been more supportive they would likely have expanded it.

They may yet get their "re-education" camps.

I think you're giving Obama way too much credit for things he clearly didn't have his hand in. Fast and Furious wasn't his idea, he isn't asking catholic hospitals to pay for abortions just refusing federal money for services they do not render, the Generals were for the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell and at the end of the Clinton years, we had the first surplus in ages. Now you can claim he started what would be the recession, but Bush had 8 years, 4 of which with unfettered control to repeal whatever conservatives view as the trigger and he didn't accomplish shit. He got us in a useless war in Afghanistan which bore no fruit. He tied us to a second war in Iraq, cutting taxes while increasing spending for the war-effort, and now we're stuck paying the bill.

Good fact check there though.