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Diogenes
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Postby Diogenes » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:44 pm

Simon, i'm tired of your ridiculous and unfair tactics. (False Equivalency, Emotional arguments, mischaracterizing positions etc.) I've decided to show you how tiresome it is.



Alabama suspect had marijuana use history




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The latest details involving Alabama suspect Jimmy Lee Dykes is that he has a history of using marijuana, so he could have been under the influence of the drug when he shot and killed a school bus driver and abducted a young male child. And that puts a whole new spin on the gun violence issues being raised since the hostage standoff began six days ago.



http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.actio ... 4981845781


Another link to similar story.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... bled=false
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Postby Diogenes » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:46 pm

And what have we here? Another one?



Marijuana: Tucson Massacre Suspect Jared Loughner Was 'Habitual' Pot User




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The Army official told Time magazine that Loughner "admitted that he smoked marijuana to such an extent that we said, 'No, thank you.'"

He was rejected.

We can almost hear your comments already. Cannabis is a cure. Sure.

But addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky of Celebrity Rehab has said repeatedly that daily marijuana use triggers deep depression.

The National Institute on Drug Abuse agrees:

"A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, and schizophrenia."



http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011 ... ijuana.php


And another similar story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a- ... 10336.html
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Postby Stubby » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:51 pm

Were they users because they were f*cked up or f*cked up because they were users?

oh the irony of decrying false equivalency when you just used the same argument.
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Postby Diogenes » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:25 pm

Columbine School Shooting Murderer.




Eric David Harris
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The autopsy states he had low therapeutic levels of Luvox in his system at the time of death. Luvox has a 'washout period' of about 14 days for a 60mg/day prescription. Typical Luvox therapy starts with 50mg/day dosage and progresses into high dosages of up to 300mg/day as needed. It's extremely reactive to other substances (alcohol, marijuana, prescriptions). Without knowing how long Eric was taking the drug before 4-20-99 and without knowing how much he was prescribed, it's hard to tell whether this low level of Luvox was because he was actively taking a low level of the drug or because he was in the process of taking himself off a high level of it.


http://acolumbinesite.com/eric.html



Eric was also friends with Becca; they sat together in class,
cut class together, and once in March, 1999, they had lunch
at Eric’s house.107
The day before the attack, Eric, Dylan, and
Brooks went to lunch with Becca.108
Eric was also friends with a couple of drug-involved girls. One was Jennifer, who may have
sold him cocaine.109
Another was Stephanie, who hung out with Eric and Dylan at the “smoker’s pit” where they smoked
marijuana and talked.
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Considering all the activities Eric and Dylan were involved in with their friends, including soccer, paint-ball, bowling, Dungeons and Dragons, fantasy baseball, video games, mak-ing movies,smoking pot, drinking, raising a ruckus at the pizza
shop, and more, it is clear that these were not two isolated boys.




http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Artic ... umbine.pdf
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Postby Diogenes » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:37 pm

Columbine School Murderer.


Dylan Klebold

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Klebold told the program counselors that he had used alcohol and marijuana.




http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/200 ... e-trouble/





Drugs and Alcohol
Stefanie Haney: 835–836: smoked pot with DK and EH at the “smoker’s pit” in 1998
Vanessa Grimes: 3,212: did not see EH/DK smoke pot, but heard them talk about it a lot
Sarah Slater: 4,436: DK and Zack often got drunk together
Mr. Peter Horvath (CHS dean): 5,708: month prior to attack, DK suspected of smoking mariuana, but was cleared
Deborah Conn: 6,271: EH was at party at Robyn Anderson’s; people were drinking
Nathan Johnson: 10,155–6: Bob Kirgis (boss at Blackjack’s) told Johnson that EH seemed to be getting into drugs
Angel Pytlinksi: 10,193: EH’s father accused him of using LSD
Mr. Jason Secore: 10,1998: EH, DK, Chris Morris, and Robert Kirgis “partied” on the roof of Blackjack’s
James Thornby: 10,199: EH didn’t smoke a lot of marijuana; 10,201: EH/DK drank at his New Year’s Eve party
Mrs. Susan Klebold: 10,513: DK showed her flask of schnapps after prom, said he just drank a little
Cory Friesen: 10,727: EH/DK drank, smoked pot
Zach Heckler: 10,755: DK had problem with alcohol
Patrick McDuffee: 10,793: EH/DK smoked pot
Chris Morris: 10,839: EH/DK smoked pot
Ms. Sydney Jo Keating (CHS staff ): 12,277: last year someone sold fake cocaine to EH
Jennifer Cudworth: 20,028: friend of EH, sold (or tried to sell) cocaine to him last year
Eric Harris: 26,014: journal entry mentioning drinking with friends
Eric Harris: 26,016: journal entry mentioning flask of alcohol
Eric Harris: 26,017: journal entry stating he “never really did like alcohol”
Eric Harris: 26,284: note in planner to get “slim jims” and “white Russians”
Dylan Klebold: 26,388: journal entry mentioning he was drunk, and stating he tried not to drink for periods of time
Dylan Klebold: 26,394: journal entry mentioning drinking with a friend
Dylan Klebold: 26,394: journal entry that appears to say that he won’t drink
Dylan Klebold: 26,400: journal entry mentioning drinking with friends
Dylan Klebold: 26,404: journal entry mentioning that he has been caught for his “crimes,” including drinking
Eric Harris: 26,859: online questionnaire asked about favorite things to do on weekend; EH said “bowl and get stoned”
DK Diversion: pp. 2–3: DK’s report of his drinking and marijuana use
DK Diversion: pp. 27–8/37–8: DK reported drinking by himself a couple of times and current drinking habits; first
drank with brother at age 15; first used marijuana with brother
DK Diversion: pp. 74–6: summary of DK’s substance use; he said he passed out 1–2 times from drinking
EH Diversion: pp. 3–4: reported minimal drinking and no drug use
EH Diversion: p. 25–6: EH reported drinking by himself (Aftershock and tequila); first drank at age 15
EH Diversion: pp. 67–8: summary of EH’s substance use; he said he passed out 1–2 times from drinking
JCSO 1997: p. 9: Rebel Mission log: after each mission EH, DK, and Zach Heckler got drunk on hard liquor
(Aftershock, Irish Cream, vodka, tequila, whiskey, rum)




http://www.schoolshooters.info/PL/Edite ... %201.3.pdf
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Postby Diogenes » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:38 pm

Stubby wrote:Were they users because they were f*cked up or f*cked up because they were users?

oh the irony of decrying false equivalency when you just used the same argument.



You mean people don't like it when I put the shoe onto their foot?


No sh*t?



Gee, I think it's GREAT when they keep using that tactic on me!
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Postby GIThruster » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:41 pm

If you found a 100% correlation between mass murderers and cannabis use, you would still not have people like simon alter their positions, nor anyone else pushing for legalization.
"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis

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Postby Diogenes » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:12 pm

GIThruster wrote:If you found a 100% correlation between mass murderers and cannabis use, you would still not have people like simon alter their positions, nor anyone else pushing for legalization.




Since accusations and half-truths are considered fair game in this debate, I just thought I would avail myself of this new type of ammunition. The facts don't matter. Only the accusations and half-truths matter.


For all we know, Marijuana is harmless to most people, but induces some small percentage of the population to become psychotic and violent.
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Postby Diogenes » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:48 pm

Jeffery Dahmer
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One night when Jeff was driving home, he picked up a hitchhiker, 19-year-old Steven Hicks. The two of went back to Jeff's where they drank beer and smoked marijuana. However, it seems as though Jeff must have really liked Steve because when Hicks said that it was time he left, Jeff decided that he did not want his new friend going anywhere.




http://www.geocities.ws/narcolet/Jeffery_Dahmer.html
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Postby Diogenes » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:26 pm

James Holmes "Batman" Movie shooter/ Wanna be Joker.
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James Holmes, the alleged "Joker" gunman, described his fascination with altered states of mind in a lecture to other students, and dosed up on prescription medication before the atrocity, it emerged on Sunday.


The first video footage of the suspect showed him as an awkward, nervous 18-year-old giving a talk at a science summer camp in San Diego on "temporal illusions". It also emerged that in the days before the attack, Holmes, a cannabis smoker, joined a dating website seeking women for "sexy times" and also tried to join a gun club.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -mind.html
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Postby MSimon » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:45 pm

GIThruster wrote:If you found a 100% correlation between mass murderers and cannabis use, you would still not have people like simon alter their positions, nor anyone else pushing for legalization.


I can tell you 100% of them drank water. What should we do about that?

I can also tell you that 100% of all people have cannabinoids in their systems (even you GIT). What should we do about that?

In fact mothers milk is laced with cannabinoids. What should we do about mothers drugging their children? Maybe laws against breast feeding would help.

In fact your craziness about the subject may be caused by overproduction of cannabinoids in your system. Have you seen a doctor about it? As far as I know there is no cure. But perhaps alcohol sedation might help.

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Postby MSimon » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:50 pm

BTW I was under the impression that cannabis was prohibited. How was it possible for these people to get the drug when none was available?

In fact I don't believe the reports. It is not possible to get a prohibited drug.

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Postby MSimon » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:54 pm

Here is another drug that needs banning:

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/abuse/a/ ... 040303.htm

Violence -- whether personal violence, such as suicide; interpersonal violence, such as rape, homicide, or domestic abuse; or group violence, such as unruliness and riotous acts at sporting events -- is a major concern to everyone. Alcohol abuse and alcoholism cause a significant number of severe -- sometimes fatal -- health, social, and economic problems in the United States.

That there is an association between alcohol use and all forms of violence has been known for many years.

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So what I want to know is: were these folks alcohol drinkers?

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Postby MSimon » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:00 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand ... ass_murder

Dantzler also used cocaine and alcohol the day of the shooting and was known to abuse alcohol.[4][9]

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I don't believe he was on cocaine. That stuff is prohibited. You can't get it.

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Postby MSimon » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:04 am

Steroids, Alcohol Alleged in Soldier's Mass Murder Case

http://www.newsmax.com/US/Bales-murder- ... /id/440985
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