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Re: Latest drug addict loons.

Postby Diogenes » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:31 pm

paperburn1 wrote:Everyone seem to be skirting the main problem. Where did he get the gun?. From his father as a gift because he could not legally own or purchase one for himself.



I have read that claim is in dispute. He purportedly bought the gun himself. If this is true, we are once more back to the central problem. People on drugs have screwed up minds, are often unpredictable, and sometimes very dangerous.



Here's another list of similar killers on drugs.


http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/big-list-of- ... d-killers/
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Re: Latest drug addict loons.

Postby paperburn1 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:16 pm

Got busted in February of 2015. Gun was purchased in April by the father(fathers claim). The son could not have legally purchased the firearm.
But of grinding (grind up pills and smoke them in weed for an amplified effect) most probably did not have a positive effect.
This does bring up the question if smoking weed has such great property , why did he go off the deep end. To much religion.
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Postby MSimon » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:22 pm

There are 30 million in America on illegal mind altering drugs. There are another 70 million on legal mind altering drugs.

If the drugs are doing it why are these kinds of events such a small part of that population?

Evidently drugs keep people from thinking logically. And the effect seems most pronounced in people that don't use them.
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Postby MSimon » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:28 pm

And I can make the very same argument about guns.

There are about 150 million in America on who own legal guns. No one knows how many own guns illegally.

If the guns are doing it why are these kinds of events such a small part of that population?

Evidently guns keep people from thinking logically. And the effect seems most pronounced in people that don't own them.
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Postby MSimon » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:32 pm

The left is prejudiced against guns. The right is prejudiced against drugs. No wonder I have so few friends.
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Postby MSimon » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:37 pm

Fortunately the tides have shifted. Gun Prohibition is out of style and so is Drug Prohibition. I may in time gain some friends.
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Postby hanelyp » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:50 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3137943/Marijuana-DOES-impair-driving-kind-comprehensive-government-study-reveals-cannabis-use-affect-motor-skills-three-drinks.html
A National Institute on Drug Abuse study tasked stoned participants with driving a highly sophisticated driving simulator
Researchers found that after their blood levels of THC reached a certain point, the drivers weaved similarly to a driver with a BAC of .08
The study also found that combining cannabis and alcohol decreased motor skills even more than just one or the other
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Postby MSimon » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:23 am

hanelyp wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3137943/Marijuana-DOES-impair-driving-kind-comprehensive-government-study-reveals-cannabis-use-affect-motor-skills-three-drinks.html
A National Institute on Drug Abuse study tasked stoned participants with driving a highly sophisticated driving simulator
Researchers found that after their blood levels of THC reached a certain point, the drivers weaved similarly to a driver with a BAC of .08
The study also found that combining cannabis and alcohol decreased motor skills even more than just one or the other

And yet traffic accidents in Colorado are near their lowest level ever. We also know from studies of med pot states that liberal med pot laws lower traffic fatalities by about 9%.

What ever studies show about danger from cannabis is contradicted by reality.

The med pot study said that the results they showed were quite likely from people switching from alcohol to cannabis.

There have also been studies of heavy users and they have been found to be safer drivers than those totally sober. As long as their use was below a certain level.

Of course we will have better data in a year or two. Once legal sales are fully operational in legalization states.

Colorado has also seen a small decrease in non-Prohibition related crime.

So far none of the fears (except an increase in stoned driver accidents) has come to pass. But that increase is balanced by a greater reduction of alcohol impaired driving. And that shows up in the fact that traffic fatalities are down.
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Postby MSimon » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:35 am

So what can we say for sure about ending Prohibition? Nothing particularly bad happens. Costs are reduced. Revenues are increased.

What strapped State government can resist? Well Oklahoma and Utah will probably be among the last to legalize. Even Texas is moving in the direction of legalization.

A decrim law has passed in Illinois and is awaiting the Governor's signature. If he waits 30 more days and does nothing it automatically becomes law. The Governor is a Republican. And except for a small proportion (maybe 30%) they are all softening on the issue.

Real world evidence does not support Prohibition. Real surprise there, eh?

Even Grassley is looking at the med pot issue despite opposing general legalization.
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Re: Latest drug addict loons.

Postby williatw » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:09 pm

MSimon wrote:And yet traffic accidents in Colorado are near their lowest level ever. We also know from studies of med pot states that liberal med pot laws lower traffic fatalities by about 9%.
What ever studies show about danger from cannabis is contradicted by reality.



I think the Incongruity between studies showing congnitive impairment of those on pot (similar to alcohol) vs results in reality showing a decline in serious motor accidents can be explained thusly:


williatw wrote:Pot impairs you and alcohol impairs you (and both together are worse than either separately). However to agree that both impair you doesn't mean both behave the same as regards to driving. Drunk people (some anyway) behave like they think they are a cross between Mario Andretti and their fav action movie stars...80mph in a 30mph zone for instance. Like they get drunk in a bar and behave like instead of the fat middle aged out of shape person they are who hasn't been in a real fight in years, they can kick anyone's ass in the bar. People high on pot first and foremost are lazy sods...they probably just don't drive as much as drunks do anyway, more prone to sitting on their ass all day long getting high and ordering pizza. When they do drive they probably tend more toward overly cautious driving habits, like driving 5-10mph below the speed limit (probably how cops catch them, after all everyone else pretty much dives 5-10mph above the speed limit). This of course in spite of their cognitive impairment probably results in fewer accidents and less serious ones, explaining the drop in fatal accidents (at least in part). It’s the difference in how pot vs. alcohol affects people's behavior that accounts for the apparently different results, not lack of relative impairment between the two.


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Re: Latest drug addict loons.

Postby palladin9479 » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:03 am

I thought it was generally understood that while cannabis impairs motor skills, it does so in a way that causes the user to compensate by slowing down. This would cause them to drive slower, and also to have a harder time driving in figure eights on a obstacle course with cones ... which is what that "sophisticate driving simulator" is by the way. It's a professional grade driving course that's used to train and grade stunt men, it's does not simulate real world driving conditions. In real world situations your going to see a cannabis driver going 20mph down the road. It's an inconvenience but the probability of them causing a fatal accident is near zero. In any case you treat it the same as current DUI laws.

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Postby paperburn1 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:02 am

I really hate to jump on simon's turf but we all knew this would be comming.
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Re: Latest drug addict loons.

Postby Stubby » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:06 pm

Those ng/mL limits must be pulled out of someone's ass. It has been illegal to experiment with THC so how did they get the necessary data to come up with those values?

It would almost seem to be as ridiculous a limit as 0.001% blood alcohol.
In extraordinary circumstances of extended marijuana use, detection times of more than 30 days are possible in some individuals at the 20 ng/mL cutoff.
How would they differentiate between this example and some guy who just smoked 3 spliffs?

And bear in mind a positive tested IS NOT necessarily impairment.

Cannabis smoking delivers dozens of chemicals to the body, just like tobacco. So it isn't cut and dried like ethanol which is one molecule.
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Re: Latest drug addict loons.

Postby Diogenes » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:30 pm

Real Shocker. Chattanooga Shooter was a pot-head.


Tenn. gunman used drugs, struggled with clash of faith






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CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — A few months before he killed five U.S. service members in a shooting rampage here, the 24-year-old gunman, who often joked that he was just an “Arabian redneck,” was smoking marijuana with friends.



Abdulazeez also struggled to find work after he graduated from the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga with an engineering degree. He briefly landed a job at a nuclear power plant in Ohio but was dismissed when he failed a background check. He told friends he had failed the company’s drug test after smoking marijuana.





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Re: Latest drug addict loons.

Postby williatw » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:05 pm

williatw wrote:
paperburn1 wrote:I do not think the support is there at the levels needed.


The poll linked was from April; hopefully support will increase by the fall but I am not taking any bets. There is only one poll that counts and that is the one in November. Trouble is typically in off-year type elections young voter turnout tends to be low; they're the demographic most likely to support ending WOD and pot legalization. The old on the other hand are probably more likely both to vote in off year elections and to vote against legalization; they (the old) tend to resist change and prefer status quo.



Ohio sets November vote on legalizing marijuana


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A Cannabis plant is pictured at the ''Weed the People'' event as enthusiasts gather to celebrate the legalization of the recreational use of marijuana in Portland, Oregon July 3, 2015.



Ohio voters will decide in November whether to legalize marijuana use for treating illnesses and for getting high.

Secretary of State Jon Husted said on Wednesday he had certified the group ResponsibleOhio had gathered enough valid signatures to place a constitutional amendment before voters in November.

The proposed amendment's language still needs approval by the Ohio Ballot Board, he said.

The measure would establish a Marijuana Control Commission charged with regulating the growth, sale and taxation of marijuana, similar to legalization plans approved by voters in four other U.S. states.

In November, Oregon and Alaska approved the use of marijuana for recreational purposes in state-regulated systems that will usher in retail pot shops similar to those already operating in Washington state and Colorado.

The District of Columbia has also voted to allow recreational-use marijuana but not retail shops.

About half of U.S. states allow marijuana for medical use.

The vote in Ohio, a heartland state known as a political bellwether in national elections, reflects the shifting landscape for a substance that remains illegal under federal law. Pro-marijuana groups hope to put similar measures before voters in six other U.S. states in 2016.

The Ohio amendment would designate 10 locations for the growing of marijuana and make it legal for people 21 or older to use and possess up to one ounce (28 grams) of the drug and grow up to four marijuana plants for personal use.

ResponsibleOhio handed in 305,591 signatures from half of the state's 88 counties.

The wording of the amendment has drawn criticism from some marijuana legalization supporters who say it creates a marijuana monopoly in the state.

Another ballot measure, an anti-monopoly proposal backed by state lawmakers in June, would effectively block the marijuana measure if passed in November because a citizen-initiated amendment takes 30 days longer to take effect than a legislative one.




Here's hoping it passes in November...amusing listening to our esteemed republican leadership in the Governor's office harping about not approving of it (the pot legalization ballot issue) because it is being backed by a "cartel" seeking a "monopoly". Since when do Republicans object to big business cartels? Everybody loves/romanticizes "grass roots" but it probably takes a well-heeled cartel to fight effectively against an entrenched government determined to fight to maintain the WOD at all costs. ResponsibleOhio (the group responsible for the pot initiative) has said they are prepared to spend $20 million or so to deluge the state with advertising/adds this fall to sway public opinion; more power to them.




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