Why The Collectivists Are Wrong

[Jccarlton]

The problem with the Club of Rome and it's "Limits To Growth" models is that the models treat people as static objects incapable of making changes and coming up with new technologies and ideas. Like all Progressives they ignore the flow of creativity and imagination that is the path of human history.:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/12/limits ... -2052.html
That's why the Progressive models are always wrong and why trying to force people to live within the models represents a great evil.

[MSimon]

Yes.

I do believe we will be breaking away from the Big Government Model. Both Parties as they currently exist will not like the result.

Rand Paul and the libertarians coming into Congress are harbingers of what we are headed for. Not to mention world wide instability being caused by the last gasps of the old order. The Middle East is especially vulnerable.

[hanelyp]

Worse, the club of rome model doesn't ignore technology, it gets it backwards assuming adverse impact as a product of economic output times technology. In reality technology represents more options, allowing better efficiency and use of otherwise useless resources, delivering more prosperity for the same impact on available resources.

[Jccarlton]

Worse, the club of rome model doesn't ignore technology, it gets it backwards assuming adverse impact as a product of economic output times technology. In reality technology represents more options, allowing better efficiency and use of otherwise useless resources, delivering more prosperity for the same impact on available resources.

Exactly. The "limits" models seem to be locked by Keynesian/Marxist thinking and can't deal with the realities of the chaotic world economy. The fact is that the economy adapts. individuals try to find efficiencies and save money. That leads to better economic efficiencies. The central planning types seem to have this NEED to control things. The problem with that is that tightly constrained systems are less efficient than loosely constrained systems because all the inefficiencies compound and there's no feedback to correct for problems.

[JLawson]

Worse, the club of rome model doesn't ignore technology, it gets it backwards assuming adverse impact as a product of economic output times technology. In reality technology represents more options, allowing better efficiency and use of otherwise useless resources, delivering more prosperity for the same impact on available resources.

Exactly. The "limits" models seem to be locked by Keynesian/Marxist thinking and can't deal with the realities of the chaotic world economy. The fact is that the economy adapts. individuals try to find efficiencies and save money. That leads to better economic efficiencies. The central planning types seem to have this NEED to control things. The problem with that is that tightly constrained systems are less efficient than loosely constrained systems because all the inefficiencies compound and there's no feedback to correct for problems.

It does seem to be a pathological thing, doesn't it? It's self-evident to THEM that they can manage things better than simply letting them go and self-correct, and they'll manage the things into the ground if that's what it takes to convince people they're needed.

[choff]

The Club of Rome pushes the idea that we live in a world of finite/declining resources and we need 'sustainable development', whereas in reality we live in a world of abundance. Basically they're a bunch of uber rich pushing popular causes as a front to expand wealth and control. Take Ted Turner for example, the guy has 6 kids and believes in China's one child policy and a global population reduction to 500 million.

The top 200 wealthy have as much as the bottom 50% global population. If they want to have 4 kids each and raise them in the lifestyle they're accustomed, the rest of us will lose everything. They no longer believe in expanding wealth, for them the low hanging fruit has been taken, only a feudal rentier model will do.