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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby MSimon » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:11 pm

So what got me on the side of dopers?

See the WW2 movie clip here: Ronald Reagan and Errol Flynn.

No knock raids at 3AM with battering rams was something Nazis did. That was not the American way. At least not what I learned growing up. I object to American police acting like Nazis. It violates the ideals we supposedly stood for when we fought WW2. There were a LOT of WW2 propaganda films on TV when I was growing up. I liked the America that fought against that sort of thing.

And it turns out a whole lot of NRA members and fans are of the same opinion. They don't like it either.

Now I understand that the Nazification of the police doesn't bother you. But you are running against the grain. Eventually it will cost your party an election or three. Because most Americans don't like it. And the longer the Republicans keep at it the more firmly this branding will be entrenched.

This former police detective , a friend of mine, doesn't like it either.

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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby ladajo » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:55 pm

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby GIThruster » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:54 pm

Fascinating to read about this election. I looked over more than a dozen sources and until I specifically went looking for one, I could not even find the name of the guy who unseated Cantor. That's amazing and no coincidence. Unless you're a Tea Partier, you don't want to breathe this guy's name! Far worse, you'd want to know what his platform is. Much better like Simon to pretend he's libertarian or Republican or whatever you are. The Dems did the opposite spin, without naming him they just dismissed him as another ineffectual right wing extremist (just as they do all Tea Party members).

After reading all that I searched his platform and surprisingly, Rush Limbaugh had published the guy's platform. He also published a couple other little known facts:

"Cantor raised $5.4 million. This guy had $200,000 and spent about half of it. He had a staff of two people, and of course Cantor had. . .a staff of 23."

"This is the first time a majority leader of a party has lost a primary election, the first time."

"David Brat is not a wacko. He's not a kook. He's an economics professor. He's an economist. "

Still think people don't care about the economy and are not willing to vote out the trash. . I mean incumbents who have violated their constitutional responsibilities by spending money they haven't got? Think again. The Tea Party isn't back. It never went away. Here's the platform published by Limbaugh:

"That the free enterprise system is the most productive supplier of human needs and economic justice,

"That all individuals are entitled to equal rights, justice, and opportunities and should assume their responsibilities as citizens in a free society,

"That fiscal responsibility and budgetary restraints must be exercised at all levels of government,

"That the Federal Government must preserve individual liberty by observing Constitutional limitations,

"That peace is best preserved through a strong national defense,

"That faith in God, as recognized by our Founding Fathers is essential to the
moral fiber of the Nation."

Guess we'll see where this heads, but it's not a libertarian move, nor a Republican move, nor a Democratic move. It's a Tea Party move that should never be characterized as something else. This is the people, calling for fiscal responsibility because they are fed up with DC and you should expect more of the same kind. Boehner got a 2 year extension but his days are numbered and he knows it. Either he steps in line or he's going to be out too.
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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby KitemanSA » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:16 am

If you want real change, you need to implement "Full Option Voting". FOV allows the voter to vote either for, or against, a candidate. This power will bring many voters back into the discussion.

With typical Single member plurality voting (what the US has lmost exclusively) you would go into a booth where every candidate would have TWO boxes in front of his name, "FOR" and "AGAINST". The voter could select one box from among ALL of the available choices. If he can't find someone to vote FOR, he will most certainly find one to vote AGAINST. And massive government spending will not buy only "FOR" votes anymore, but will buy "AGAINST" votes too. This will make the incumbant a bit less locked into his office. A good alternative to unconstitutional term limits.

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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby ladajo » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:02 am

Probably needs a "Don't care" box as well.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby hanelyp » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:21 am

Something better than plurality voting certainly won't hurt. But we need better voters, not more voters. Democracy only works well when voters are well informed and ethically grounded. It also hurts when major media has a massive partisan bias, and major departments of government are weaponized against political enemies who might press for smaller gooberment.
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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby choff » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:42 am

Mike, regarding cannabis, I'm slogging through this talk on the law and controlled substances you might find interesting if you haven't seen this material before.



Regarding the newly elected professor, I'm wary of Ayn Rand, she had too many straw man arguments, not enough real world expertise. Economics is a science corrupted by Wall St., that's not to say he's not up to the task, just that even the Tea's need to think outside the box a whole lot more to fix things.
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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby Scupperer » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:36 am

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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby mvanwink5 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:00 pm

Ayn Rand believed "value" is "objective." Austrian economics is based on "subjective" value. Objective value is fundamental to socialism; it is what enables bureaucrats to make decisions for you as they know what you need. Cardinality of value relies on objective value (20 apples is worth 20 times as much as 1 apple). Austrians, however, say that all you can say is that 20 apples is worth **more** than 1 apple. Economics based on ordinal valuation is beyond the linear thinking of socialists and bureaucrats, they just don't have the ability to understand it. Let me help a little. "apple" says nothing of quality, type, personal preference, refrigerator space, how many apples can be eaten, allergies, how far to drive to get the apple, how safe the parking lot is, X a million factors. Hence, it is absolutely absurd to think GDP has any meaning, and without GDP having any meaning "management" of an economy is absurd, ridiculous, impossible without cardinality of value. In real life "objective" value is a mirage; it has no meaning.

Any wonder then why Keynesian economics is a complete failure? (that is rhetorical for the linear thinkers)

So, Rand is in deep water with her "objective" philosophy, and for sure it is fundamentally inconsistent with Austrian economic theory.
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Postby Scupperer » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:19 pm

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Re: Eric Cantor Loses To TEA Party Libertarian

Postby mvanwink5 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:49 pm

You misunderstand. I am saying that Austrian economics and Ayn Rand's philosophy fundamentally disagree on the foundation of economic principles. What she calls capitalism is property rights and a free market, but she had no clue on economic theory. Just as her staunch position on atheism is consistent with communism does not make her a communist, nor does her view on objective values make her a socialist. The point was if value truly was objective then the socialists and Keynesians would be able to make reasonable decisions, but the socialist and Keynesians fail for the same reason she is wrong. She had no clue on economics.

Again, the point was Austrian Economics fundamentally disagrees with Ayn Rand, but you can't argue with that bunch, if Ayn Rand spoke it, so it must be. When she was alive she had an inner circle, and like a cult, periodically she would have purges. I think you will find that she did not like the Austrian Economists.
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