djolds1 wrote:No. I mean like the nukes the Iranians are working on at Natanz and a dozen other major industrial facilities. You were pooh-poohing the North Korean nukes right up until the first one blew, weren't you?
The nukes in NK all fizzled, if they really were nukes (could have just been a pit full of conventional explosives. Also, my position was that one nuclear bomb test does not make someone a nuclear power, but at best a nuclear target. NK just is not capable of maintaining a nuclear program, neither economically, nor technically. As for Iran, they have not tested anything yet and until then, we cant say for sure. The dinnerjacket guy is gone now and the new guys seem to be at least superficially more moderate. There is still a chance for a peaceful resolution to this.
From my perspective, every time the US stepped in somewhere, things only got worse.
Examples: Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt... Every time we get involved, we just attract more hatred from groups there. Best to leave it alone and only react when directly attacked.
djolds1 wrote:Ukraine was the final nail in the coffin of nonproliferation. No state on Earth with an interest in survival will ever again give up its nukes or end a nuclear program.
Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I would prefer less people to have nuclear weapons.
djolds1 wrote:If you think we can stay out of the malestoms gathering, you're being foolish. War has an interest in us.
Best to stay out of it. There is NOTHING to win there.
Skipjack wrote:Our ally of choice in the region was Iran. Then the Peanut insisted that the Shah's repressive security services switch to nicey-nice. Result - the Mullah Regime in Tehran. But the Obamessiah is doing MUCH better - Islamist regimes across the ENTIRE Middle East. Rehabilitating the Peanut... that takes SKILZ.
The Shah was another example of where US interference in other peoples affairs made things much worse. Iran had an elected government and we replaced it with the Shah. The Shah was western oriented, yes, but he was not a particularly nice man and thus not particularly popular there. And that gave the mullahs an easy game. Its the same every time.