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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby GIThruster » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:33 pm

William you would likewise do well to get some facts by watching the vid above. I am not suggesting Bush II knew what he was doing when he went into Iraq, but I would note to you that he was fighting 2 wars at once, and that a fantastically high percent of the American people as well as Congress, were behind the decision to go in. It wasn't until we had no instant success that people started to blame and claim they were not supporters, and had never been.

And suppose all the intel reports had been right, and Iraq did have WMD's. What is they're still buried in the sand like all those fighters we found? Then who are you going to say was right?

What we can say without any qualifications is, that more than 20 million women were liberated and can now take place in their own nation's business, politics, educational system, etc. The Iraqi's have what they need to be successful, except for one thing--continuing support. Fact is, without continuing support, all that we have accomplished in Iraq will be undone, and that's what POTUS made sure will happen. It's on him.
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Re: Iraq is falling

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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby choff » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:38 am

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u- ... in-jordan/

It's about keeping Iraqi oil in the ground and out of the market, keeping the price at the pump on the up. That's the real reason for the invasion under Bush. That's the reason ISIS is on the march right now. Look at those photos of terrorist convoys on the Iraq highways, think a few A10's could put a stop to the whole charade. You have drones blasting people throughout the middle east except Iraq, Kerry is talking how the biggest threat is climate change harming the worlds oceans, POTUS is playing golf.

That and they can sell a whole $hitload of weapons to both sides in the coming Sunni/Shia tilt they've started. I repeat, the U.N. embargo on Iraq was coming to an end when Bush launched his attack, it's about keeping the price of oil through the roof.
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Re: Iraq is falling

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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby choff » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:19 am

The American taxpayer is already paying money into this conflict, as in, they fully fund ISIS. The terrorists have the very best intelligence the American taxpayer can provide, probably paid to arrange for those two divisions folding. Woe to the Iraqis if the U.S. does start helping militarily, guaranteed 'friendly fire' debacles and 'intercepted' signals.

Seriously, drones can't be diverted to kill a few head hunting terrorists?
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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby ladajo » Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:47 pm

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby GIThruster » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:32 pm

"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis

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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby GIThruster » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:32 pm

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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby choff » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:15 pm

Of course the west knew Saddam had WMD's, who do you think he purchased them from, irrelevant to why the invasion took place except as a useful pretext. I will repeat, this is about the price of a barrel of oil, always has been, the banksters like the price to be high, the consumer would like it to be low. If both Iraqi and Iranian oil was never impeded by conflict and embargo take a guess what the current price would look like. POTUS and Kerry aren't concerned because everything is going according to plan.
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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby GIThruster » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:39 pm

Well, pretty sure he got the gas from the same place as the shells used to deliver it, and his tanks, etc. The Soviets. So we really don't know what sort of gas it was. Just that it was the weapon of choice for the largest chemical weapons slaughter in human history.
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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby choff » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:19 pm

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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby GIThruster » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:39 pm

That is very sad if true. How much do you trust this source?

I know in the 80's, we were really still at the extreme end of pissed at Iran, so it is more understandable we'd give Saddam these sorts of things, but it is still hard to believe. Would need some reasons to trust this source.
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Re: Iraq is falling

Postby hanelyp » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:42 pm

choff, how do "banksters" benefit from a high oil price?
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