the reality of the moral law

[GIThruster]

one of the reasons I've always loved Lewis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... qsAzlFS91A

Atheists often argue Lewis was no philosopher. This is really to miss the point of what philosophers are and do, for truly there have been no better philosophers this last century, IMHO; and this is an elegant demonstration of the man's steel-trap mind.

[MSimon]

The law of human nature is "advantage". Men will do what seems to them in their advantage.

If stealing from A is condoned and stealing from B is not - A will experience more thefts.

And then there is the question of advantage. Short term. Longer term. Individual. "Civilization".

Within the realm of advantage we have all kinds of curious items. Oil is transported on trains vs pipelines because it is to some individual's advantage. Even though pipelines are subject to 1/3 the accidents trains are for a given volume transported.

"Civilization" (and its corresponding state actors) is inherently corrupt.

And if you want something even more corrupt (mass incarceration) look up DuPont and Hearst in relation to a certain plant. Or even better Richard Nixon. All eschewed morality for advantage. In fact they created a false morality to cover their seeking advantage.

Occasionally you get a person who preaches morality over advantage. But they are rare and few of even their followers is willing to give up advantage for morality. But they will preach the morality if it is to their advantage.

Lewis liked morality. But he failed to get that it was peripheral.

[GIThruster]

He didn't fail at anything. You obviously didn't understand the chapter. By making the observation that you have, that one ought have different behavior than what you're complaining about, you prove Lewis' point. You could not make the observation you have about human nature, were the "Law of Morality" not a real thing--being just as fundamental as the laws of mathematics or logic. It is the very fact of the Moral Law, that allows you to draw the distinctions you have, despite however man may fail to rise to its stated expectations.

[MSimon]

He didn't fail at anything. You obviously didn't understand the chapter. By making the observation that you have, that one ought have different behavior than what you're complaining about, you prove Lewis' point. You could not make the observation you have about human nature, were the "Law of Morality" not a real thing--being just as fundamental as the laws of mathematics or logic. It is the very fact of the Moral Law, that allows you to draw the distinctions you have, despite however man may fail to rise to its stated expectations.

Advantage is the only reliable law. Morality is useful if it gives advantage. Most people will jettison it if morality gets in the way of advantage.

Look at yourself. You have no trouble massively incarcerating others because of your personal failings. Pretty big hole in your morality.

And when some one points it out to you your anger knows no limits. Another hole.

As if police could solve your objection to other's behavior. But you have a LOT of company. Leftists love the idea of force as a solution to "social" problems. We are a one party (force is the answer) state. The only difference is who the parties intend to force and for what.

Fortunately that is going out of style.

Funny enough Lewis had your number.

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. CS Lewis

You can't do "morality" with tyranny. Morality to be real must be chosen.

[GIThruster]

Look at yourself. You have no trouble massively incarcerating others because of your personal failings. Pretty big hole in your morality.

No one is being incarcerated for my failings.

See this is why you shouldn't do drugs. You can't tell the difference between your fantasies and reality.