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why the deal with Iran

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And now we know...
Iran's president has pointed to another possible windfall from the nuclear deal with world powers - his country may soon be able to buy badly needed new planes for its aging fleet, the official IRNA news agency reported.

Iran's Transportation Minister Abbas Akhoundi has said there have been talks with Boeing and Airbus and that initial agreements will likely come in a few months' time.

"We will provide new aircraft for Iran," Akhoundi said.

Last month at the Paris Air Show, Akhoundi said Iran was prepared to spend about $20 billion to purchase about 400 new planes over the next decade.

Iran President Hassan Rouhani said Iranian negotiators came away from the talks in Vienna with "achievements beyond the nuclear" agreement and succeeded in having "aviation sanctions removed." His remarks were carried by the official IRNA news agency late Wednesday.

The landmark deal, struck Tuesday between Iran and six world powers after marathon negotiations in the Austrian capital, is meant to prevent Tehran from acquiring nuclear weapons capability, in exchange for sanctions relief. According to the deal, key economic sanctions - such as those on Iranian energy and financial sectors - would be lifted once Iran implements the restrictions on its nuclear program.
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Re: why the deal with Iran

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Get a pilot with the right messed up mentality and a jumbo jet can deliver payloads we very much would rather not be delivered. Though once sanctions are lifted Iran would have cheaper ways than buying to obtain them for a one-off operation.
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hanelyp wrote:Though once sanctions are lifted Iran would have cheaper ways than buying to obtain them for a one-off operation.
They already had those ways before. I don't see what has changed.

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Re: why the deal with Iran

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On Sept 11, 2001 the aircraft themselves were the weapons. With the broad loopholes of this nuke deal Iran may have another payload.
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hanelyp wrote:On Sept 11, 2001 the aircraft themselves were the weapons. With the broad loopholes of this nuke deal Iran may have another payload.
This is silly. They could have done this several times over, if they really wanted to. At least now we have some oversight and control. Until now, we had none at all. Plus, this might actually contribute towards normalizing the relationship with Iran.

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Skipjack wrote:
hanelyp wrote:On Sept 11, 2001 the aircraft themselves were the weapons. With the broad loopholes of this nuke deal Iran may have another payload.
This is silly. They could have done this several times over, if they really wanted to. At least now we have some oversight and control. Until now, we had none at all. Plus, this might actually contribute towards normalizing the relationship with Iran.


Why am I not surprised that our current Euroweenie Texas resident is presenting the dumbest blunder in History since Neville Chamberlain as a possible good thing?



Do you have the slightest idea what sort of Religious nutbags are the Shite Muslims of Iran? Does Mr. Atheist have a F***ing Clue?


World Nuclear Destruction would be a wet dream for that group of fanatics.


M.A.D. worked on Atheist Russians because they didn't want to die. M.A.D. will *NOT* work on religious kookbags who believe it is their moral duty to trigger the return of the 12th Imam.


I am at a loss as to how anyone who has the slightest idea of what they are dealing with could see the Iran deal as anything other than an astronomically stupid blunder, or deliberate willful destruction.


I'm not a religious person, but that 1/3 of the world's population mentioned in Revelations is starting to look a H3ll of a lot more plausible.
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The point I was trying to make that was Boeing funds both sides of congress but in this election I believe you will find the majority of its fund will be swayed toward the Democratic party for this boon it has received.
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Diogenes wrote:
Skipjack wrote:
hanelyp wrote:On Sept 11, 2001 the aircraft themselves were the weapons. With the broad loopholes of this nuke deal Iran may have another payload.
This is silly. They could have done this several times over, if they really wanted to. At least now we have some oversight and control. Until now, we had none at all. Plus, this might actually contribute towards normalizing the relationship with Iran.


Why am I not surprised that our current Euroweenie Texas resident is presenting the dumbest blunder in History since Neville Chamberlain as a possible good thing?



Do you have the slightest idea what sort of Religious nutbags are the Shite Muslims of Iran? Does Mr. Atheist have a F***ing Clue?


World Nuclear Destruction would be a wet dream for that group of fanatics.


M.A.D. worked on Atheist Russians because they didn't want to die. M.A.D. will *NOT* work on religious kookbags who believe it is their moral duty to trigger the return of the 12th Imam.


I am at a loss as to how anyone who has the slightest idea of what they are dealing with could see the Iran deal as anything other than an astronomically stupid blunder, or deliberate willful destruction.


I'm not a religious person, but that 1/3 of the world's population mentioned in Revelations is starting to look a H3ll of a lot more plausible.
And the fanatics in Saudi Arabia are any better?! Yet we call them our allies, same with the nutbags in Pakistan and those already have nukes.
And if you remember Iran once was an ally of the US. Of course that was until the Shah went batshit crazy and people started hating him (and thus the US which supported him). Context is always important when you look at things.

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Diogenes wrote:M.A.D. worked on Atheist Russians because they didn't want to die. M.A.D. will *NOT* work on religious kookbags who believe it is their moral duty to trigger the return of the 12th Imam.

I suppose the question is just how much the mullahs and ayatollahs including the "Supreme Leader" are actually in total control of Iran especially the military. Seems to me if they just wanted a few nuclear weapons they could probably just buy them under the table from impoverished North Korea; but I digress from my main point. If Iran gets functioning nukes in the next few years and if the mullahs order the military to just "fire them off" at Israel/Western Europe/US the assumption is that the generals will just do it, even knowing they will face nuclear annihilation/death themselves. That the senior Iranian civilian (and especially) military leadership are overwhelmingly of the lets make this nuclear holocaust thing happen or are more frightened of the mullahs than they are of thermonuclear war. That if said "supreme leader" ordered such (nuclear holocaust) they (the generals) wouldn't just immediately take power in a military coup and depose him and arrest/jail him and the senior nut-bag mullahs supporting him. Such a bring on the holocaust plan would likely be planned months/years ahead of time with the likely knowledge of senior military officials; plenty of time for a coup (or maybe even an arranged accident(s)/assassination(s) blamed on a convenient fall guy).

Addendum: Perhaps I am underestimating the deviousness of those mullahs and ayatollahs; maybe the plan is to act in such a way as to provoke Israel into nuking them first. A few 10's (or 100's) of thousands of dead Iranians as a result of a deliberately Iranian goaded Israeli nuclear preemptive strike would give them the excuse they needed to order a massive all out counter-strike (& not even just against Israel). No general could refuse the order of retaliation from the supreme leader if Israel could somehow be made to strike first.

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My presumption is the mullahs routinely purge the upper ranks of their military of officers who show "weak faith".

Earlier today I read a terrifying suggestion, that Barrycade struck the deal to provoke a world war in order to stimulate the economy, similar to how the US recovered from the Great Depression during WWII. Terrifying because I see no evidence he isn't that stupid when it comes to economics.
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Re: why the deal with Iran

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hanelyp wrote:My presumption is the mullahs routinely purge the upper ranks of their military of officers who show "weak faith".
My presumption would be that the secret police (the element presumably doing the "purging") would have to be on board with the military leadership at the point in time of the coup. After all they would face death as well if the nuclear holocaust is unleashed; as an example for instance I believe that Beria (head of the NKVD/KGB) may likely have poisoned his boss Stalin in the end to head off another eminent purge. Which is why a more likely scenario would be the mullahs somehow provoking Israel to attack them first; some kind of nuclear "surgical strike" against Iran to take out their nuclear capacity preemptively. They (the Mullahs) arrange for Mossad to get some kind of false intel indicating that Iran is going to attack them; they attack Iran first killing thousands and the nut-bags have their excuse to unleash their Armageddon calling it just retaliation. The Muslim population world wide would rally behind them then when they counter-attacked Israel and possibly other Western targets. Just because they (the Iranian mullah fanatics) may want the holocaust doesn't mean they might not be crafty enough to engineer making the "infidel dogs" actually start it; as I said what general could refuse the Leader's order of massive retaliation in the wake of an "unprovoked" Israeli attack against the innocent people of Iran?

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Re: why the deal with Iran

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williatw wrote:Seems to me if they just wanted a few nuclear weapons they could probably just buy them under the table from impoverished North Korea;

Does Iran Have Secret Nukes in North Korea?

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Washington’s nuclear deal with Tehran depends on aggressive inspections inside Iran. But the mullahs may well have a secret program outside their borders.

The cross-border nuclear trade is substantial enough to be called a “program.” Larry Niksch of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C., estimates that the North’s proceeds from this trade with Iran are “between $1.5 billion and $2.0 billion annually.” A portion of this amount is related to missiles and miscellaneous items, the rest derived from building Tehran’s nuclear capabilities.

Iran has bought a lot with its money. Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, thought to be Tehran’s chief nuclear scientist, was almost certainly in North Korea at Punggye-ri in February 2013 to witness Pyongyang’s third atomic test. Reports put Iranian technicians on hand at the site for the first two detonations as well.

The North Koreans have also sold Iran material for bomb cores, perhaps even weapons-grade uranium. The Telegraph reported that in 2002 a barrel of North Korean uranium cracked open and contaminated the tarmac of the new Tehran airport.

In addition, the Kim Jong Un regime appears to have helped the Islamic Republic on its other pathway to the bomb. In 2013, Meir Dagan, a former Mossad director, charged the North with providing assistance to Iran’s plutonium reactor.


The relationship between the two regimes has been long-lasting. Hundreds of North Koreans have worked at about 10 nuclear and missile facilities in Iran. There were so many nuclear and missile scientists, specialists, and technicians that they took over their own coastal resort there, according to Henry Sokolski, the proliferation maven, writing in 2003.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... korea.html

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Anyone who thinks a religious leader is actually religious doesn't know geopolitics. They use religion to control the mass's and maintain their own power, they don't actually drink the koolaid. This is also why they always someone else to do their dirty work, you'll never see one of them go and blow themselves up.

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A report I saw once said Iran already had nuclear weapons purchased from Pakistan, they didn't have the guidance systems to deliver on target yet. Plus they wanted to acquire the ability to roll their own.
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Skipjack wrote:
Diogenes wrote:


Why am I not surprised that our current Euroweenie Texas resident is presenting the dumbest blunder in History since Neville Chamberlain as a possible good thing?



Do you have the slightest idea what sort of Religious nutbags are the Shite Muslims of Iran? Does Mr. Atheist have a F***ing Clue?


World Nuclear Destruction would be a wet dream for that group of fanatics.


M.A.D. worked on Atheist Russians because they didn't want to die. M.A.D. will *NOT* work on religious kookbags who believe it is their moral duty to trigger the return of the 12th Imam.


I am at a loss as to how anyone who has the slightest idea of what they are dealing with could see the Iran deal as anything other than an astronomically stupid blunder, or deliberate willful destruction.


I'm not a religious person, but that 1/3 of the world's population mentioned in Revelations is starting to look a H3ll of a lot more plausible.



And the fanatics in Saudi Arabia are any better?!



Uh, Yeah. Sunni Muslims do not share the Apocalyptic world destruction motivation of the Shias.




Skipjack wrote:Yet we call them our allies, same with the nutbags in Pakistan and those already have nukes.


That is the fault of the Eurotwits that trained Khan and didn't see fit to do anything about it once it became apparent what he was doing. I don't like any Muslim group having nukes, but the worst of the worst is the Doomsday minded Shias.





Skipjack wrote: And if you remember Iran once was an ally of the US. Of course that was until the Shah went batshit crazy and people started hating him (and thus the US which supported him).


Over nearly a thirty year period, the Shah's secret police killed about 3,000 people. The Ayatolla Assaholla killed three times that many the first year. The people who "hated" the Shah are that same group of religious nutburgers that need to be wiped off the face of the planet, and a sh*t I do not give if they didn't like being dragged into the 20th century.


The collapse of the Shah's regime is a disaster for both the Iranians and for the rest of the world as well, and we have that Weak P*ssy Jimmy Carter Idiot to thank for it.


Skipjack wrote: Context is always important when you look at things.


Exactly, and I just gave you some.
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