What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

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What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Diogenes » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:45 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby hanelyp » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:28 am

My impression is that there are few "good guys" left in that civil war, most that might qualify among the rebels having been pounded shortly after ISIS got involved.
The daylight is uncomfortably bright for eyes so long in the dark.

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Skipjack » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:02 am

Assad is still better than ISIS. I know a few Syrians here and they were originally in support of the rebellion. Have long since changed their mind.

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby mvanwink5 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:06 am

How much more unintended consequences (ISIS, refugees, mass introduction of Muslims into Europe) are the 'all seeing' and 'all knowing' meddlers going to give everyone. But don't worry, those 'smart' guys bury their mistakes. :roll:
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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Diogenes » Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:42 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby mvanwink5 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:57 pm

You left out BengaziLibyServerClint for a reason?
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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Diogenes » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:04 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby paperburn1 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:33 pm

True but we also have the history of our embassy facilitating the transfer of arms from Libya ending up in Syria for the rebellion. Kind of sort of like the Iran-Contra deal.
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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby choff » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:52 pm

There was this one western leader who spent time as a hostage of the Muslims during his formative years, punished every day via flogging for refusal to convert his faith. When he came to power took a very different approach when dealing is Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby mvanwink5 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:19 pm

http://www.steynonline.com/7158/taking-it

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Diogenes » Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:04 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Skipjack » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:32 pm

Diogenes is funny because most of the republican candidates said that they would send troops to the middle east to "clean up". Translated that means "make things worse". But that is IMHO intentional because the military industrial complex keeps making money that way.

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby ladajo » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:47 pm

I like to call it 'Kinetic Policing'.

The trick is, figure out who you are going to schwack, get in, do the schwacking, and get out smartly.
Then you assess from a distance, if schwacking proved insufficient, figure out the next round of schwackees, wash, rinse, repeat as needed.
This whole idea of trying to stay in a cesspool of opportunistic power grabbers is just plain silly.

Get in, cut out identified cancers, get out. Repeat as required.
Let the body heal itself, provide non-invasive meds as desired to control symptoms, support healing. Or not as your resourcing and will direct.
No surgeon in his right mind stays inside a patient until they heal. As long as the wound is open, final healing is prevented.
If your goal is to assimilate the patient, then you stay, if not, then get the hell out.

I would argue, that if we had just whacked Saddam years ago, either before or after Kuwait, things today would look significantly different. How many times does someone have to jam his finger in your eye before you put him down?
Avoidance is not a viable long term strategy. The other guy, sensing weakness, will hardly ever lose interest. The lure of easy free stuff is just too strong for the human condition.
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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Skipjack » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:20 am

Well, Iran doing well enough to be able to have a nuclear program is a direct result of the power vacuum left behind by Saddan. He kept Iran down. Now they can do what they want.
Of course the current situation in Iran is a direct result of the US (and the UK) meddling in its affairs before that (which is why they hate us so much).
I just cant look back once in history where the US meddled in affairs that were not its place to meddle in that turned out well.

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby JoeP » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:49 am



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