What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby ladajo » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:14 pm

In has worked in principle for the entire history of warfare.
The trick is understanding your context of ownership.
If you want to own it, you have no recourse but to seek assimilation.
If you want to manage it, then that does not mean you need to be there all the time.
If you want to influence it, then that generally means that if you are there, it is for targeted interventions only, then you get out and use external influence.

There is a strong argument made and to be furthered about humanity's natural preference for warfare. In you haven't read it, give Max Boot's "Invisible Armies" a spin, and also "The Savage Wars of Peace". He, and some others did into small wars, but part of his argument glosses over the scalability of Blended Interventionist / Insurgent warfare and how it manifests across the full range of combatants, undeveloped to large developed. The principles are sound, and can be applied, in my opinion, across a the full range. There are many parallels to be made from a policing theory perspective as well.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby mvanwink5 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:07 pm

Ladajo,
You live in a fantasy of shoulda woulda coulda. This is a democratic republic not a totalitarian state with a 1000 year ruler. Put the strategy and rules in place by spending 2 trillion dollars (broke guberment), countless lives lost plus tragically wounded brave and loyal men and women (of all sorts) and 4 years later you get President Chuckle Head who abandons your genius 50 year plan. And propaganda turns to distrust and disgust, and the military becomes cynical and disillusioned.

The best you can hope to sustain is 'Switzerland,' but 'smart' neocons will never give up their belief in world management... their way.
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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Diogenes » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:27 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Diogenes » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:37 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby choff » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:47 pm

With Russian troops now fighting in Syria the ME situation has become more complicated, if it wasn't enough already. It raises the prospects of U.S./NATO troops either fighting against the Russians or as allies of the Russians against ISIL. Providing of course, that ISIL aren't our guys in disguise, as some have suggested.
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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby ladajo » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:09 am

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Diogenes » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:57 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Skipjack » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:07 pm


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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby mvanwink5 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:23 pm

Near term, cheap, dark horse fusion hits the air waves, GF - TED, LM - Announcement. The race is on.

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby ladajo » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:30 pm

And historically, of course, European nations have been sooo much better with history and politics.
Let us ignore the rampant several thousand year M.O. where Europeans have re-written history to suit there own politics.
Let us also ignore that on the face of the known earth, European politics have resulted in more deaths and destruction than any-where or any-when else. In fact, let us ignore that European politics continue to punish the world community with war, death, and destruction to this day and the foreseeable future, even from policies, decisions, and actions that occurred decades, centuries, and in some cases millennia ago.
Let's see, the U.S. has about 250 years of political history, and while shaping the world, changing balances and norms, on a comparison basis, it can not hold a candle to what has been wraught by Europe, and for the record, in a decidedly more negative manner.
Granted, the jury is still out on the future, but looking back over 3,000 years,most of the drama is, was, and will carry forward as that created by Europe.
You want to know the next big million people death and destruction event: Probably it will spawn out of Syria, involve failed Russian intervention, and lack of action on Europe's part. This will lead to the Middle-East Puss Ball (which for the record is a European creation), exploding and consuming several millions of folks before it is done. If you don't think this is well on the way, then you need to pay much more attention to use of WMD, Russian escalation, mixed with more factions than can be counted all vying for individually determined "values of the object" that no other engaged party understands.
One of the most destructive warfare situations is when the conflict presents with parties who are fighting over different things and don't know it. Resolution is only found when the involved parties take the time to understand what the others are striving for. It is all about the object, and it's value. Conflicts tend to be short and contained when it is the same object and the seeking parties understand how each other value it. If not, look out. Welcome to the Greater Syria conflict. Most likely place for the second use of nuclear weapons in human warfare.
No stops on that train.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby mvanwink5 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:44 pm

Nice analysis, but it completely misses the only major issue, Islam * Billion muslims.
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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Skipjack » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:08 pm


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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby Diogenes » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:39 pm

‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —

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Re: What was it they said about "Gog and Magog"?

Postby ladajo » Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:45 pm

The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)

What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)


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