Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

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Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Skipjack » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:50 pm

Turkey just shot down a Russian plane over Syria. Of course Turkey does not want the Russians there, because they are fighting ISIS and of course the islamofascist madman Erdogan loves ISIS because it helps him get rid of the Kurds.
Now they shot down a Russian plane and if Russia retaliates, NATO gets dragged into a war and bang! We have WW3!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34913173

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby ladajo » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:20 pm

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby paperburn1 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:27 pm

So who is buying all that IS oil?
I am not a nuclear physicist, but play one on the internet.

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Skipjack » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:30 pm

As usual ladajo and I disagree...

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Diogenes » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:24 pm

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Diogenes » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:26 pm

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Diogenes » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:35 pm

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby ladajo » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:17 pm

I think y'all are going to be somewhat disappointed in what Russia does about this.
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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Skipjack » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:27 pm

Seems like this is one of those occasions when Diogenes and I agree :)
We seriously need a beer smiley :)

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Skipjack » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:45 am

Here is a little more fact checking. I checked the spot that the SU24 allegedly overflew in Google maps. According to this, the SU was (even if we believe what the Turks say) less than 2 miles in Turkish airspace and the little piece of Turkey that it crossed was less than 2 miles wide at the spot ( I was being very generous and actually placed the line a little further in).
Assuming that the SU24 was flying 500 mph at the time, it would have overflown the little piece of Turkey in less than 14 seconds. I want to see how they can put 10 warning into 14 seconds. I think the Turks are lying about the warnings and probably about the overflight as well.
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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Skipjack » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:01 am

Also want to add this regarding the actions of the "Turkmen" that shot at the descending Russian pilots hanging defenselessly from their parachutes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Diogenes » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:19 am

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby Diogenes » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:21 am

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby djolds1 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:04 am

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Re: Erdogan is going to get us all killed!

Postby choff » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:14 am

Even assuming the Russians overflew Turkish airspace, their actions can in no way have been construed as threatening Turkey, unless the Turks think attacking ISIS terrorists is a threat to their sovereignty. I watched a video the other day of soccer games having a minutes silence for victims of the Paris attack. All the European stadiums were completely silent, in the Turkish stadiums there was instead loud jeering and chants of Allah Akbar, they should be kicked out of NATO, clearly they don't belong.
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