Water versus Energy

If polywell fusion is developed, in what ways will the world change for better or worse? Discuss.

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Water versus Energy

Postby BenTC » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:38 am

While obvious that cheaper electricity would benefit many parts of the planet to produce potable water from desalination, it wasn't obvious to me the importance of the method of electricity generation. Scientific American had an enlightening article describing the tension between water and energy. Water production requires large amounts of electricity, but (traditional) electricity production requires large amounts of water. The pB11 Polywell with direct conversion would be one way to break this Catch22.


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Really, really cheap power...

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Re: Really, really cheap power...

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Postby Professor Science » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:25 pm

and 400 kilo's is a decades worth of polywell fuel. What's the energy cost for extracting boron out of the ocean? what's the concentration in sea water? when can i move to a self sufficient island city?

edit 1:cursory google search reveals answer to question 2, 4-5 PPM, haven't read the article yet, it's not loading, but the google blurb had that in it.



edit 2: this article also corroborates with the blurb, and i've succeeded in loading it. 4.5 mg/L boron in sea water, assuming it's ubiquitous in deep the middle of the Atlantic doesn't seem unreasonable. now according to "Safe, Green, Clean The p-B polywell report" by Flint, a 100 megawatt takes 1.3 mg of boron a second. so you only need to filter a third of a liter a second for continous power, criminy I'm still getting used to how these suckers just sip fuel.

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Postby Stoney3K » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:46 pm

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Postby Professor Science » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:55 pm

Continuing on with the adventures at sea polywell, I realize that boro-nitride compounds would be readily available, you're already skimming plenty of boron from the sea water and there's plenty of nitrogen in atmospheric gas.

You could potentially also produce ammonia since you've got all the hydrogen and wattage you could handle.

Elements a nautical polywell town will have to work with while trying to come up with a product:

Also a polywell ocean village would make for a great marine biology/oceanography lab. I wonder if you could come up with good fertilizers in that mix, or if it's mostly an iron deficiency that's keeping ocean areas down.
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