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Re: Elon Musk Is In Bed With Crooks

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Postby NotAPhysicist » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:22 am

I'm going to go with yes, I appreciate this is a gut reaction.

While I'm certain there is unpleasant stuff associated with solar panel production and disposal I'm also certain that there is active research to reduce and mitigate this. I'd also suggest that the lethality of solar waste is somewhat less than that of what is produced in the nuclear industry.

The argument in the article seems to be "The cost of digging a deep hole big enough to put all the nuclear waste in is less than the cost of digging a deep hole big enough to fit all the solar waste in." - which I rather suspect fails to account for types and quantities of waste and the fact we seem to be incapable of actually doing this even if it is ostensibly technical feasible.

I'm not against nuclear, not at all, but we also shouldn't ignore its very real problems.
Since I'm not a climate change skeptic I'm actually very pro nuclear, it is certainly a better idea than all this ridiculous coal, oil and gas. But it also has a tendency to go horribly wrong and produce awful waste and there is only so much we can do to mitigate that - solar by contrast seems more likely to be controllably awful and the level of awfulness seems likely to be more reducible.

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Re: Elon Musk Is In Bed With Crooks

Postby paperburn1 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:01 am

The Energy Collective article doesn’t clearly distinguish “waste” from “toxic waste.” So, wherever the phrase “toxic waste” appears in this post, it probably should have been written as “toxic and/or other waste products.” still a interesting article even if it was financed by British petroleum and may have been biased. Still the number look to be within the realms of probability and I as a solar type guy can not think of any disposal programs right off the top of my head; A very valid point.
But once again it does not address solar thermal and it 95 plus recyclability of that type of solar. Also there are some new processes that will reduce waste by factors for PV
There is also the fact that solar is not suited for heavy industry so we are going to need some of those pesky beta rays or gamma rays bouncing around for the foreseeable future and I have no problem with that issue. I like my AC and refrigerator.
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Re: Elon Musk Is In Bed With Crooks

Postby MSimon » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:38 pm

The real problem with solar is day/night. i.e. batteries or other backup.

When the intermittentancy and day/night are included in the cost of solar energy it becomes cost prohibitive for general energy production.

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Re: Elon Musk Is In Bed With Crooks

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Re: Elon Musk Is In Bed With Crooks

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Re: Elon Musk Is In Bed With Crooks

Postby choff » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:13 pm

Mass layoffs at Telsa, management exodus.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-1 ... ds-workers
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Postby Betruger » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:00 pm

That ZeroHedge website hardly seems impartial.

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Postby TDPerk » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:23 pm

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Re: Elon Musk Is In Bed With Crooks

Postby Betruger » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:48 am

Haha. Sorry that was my understatement tone.

That website showed up in my mobile Chrome suggested news feed less than a month ago. I read 1 article halfway before scrolling down and seeing the fine print etc, to confirm the smell of something rotten.

That site, and Salon, are the two sites I've mentally flagged recently as unreadable RE: SpaceX/Musk.

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Re: Elon Musk Is In Bed With Crooks

Postby paperburn1 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:04 pm

Musk sees the storm on the horizon. His layoff is slightly larger than one percent. Tariff on cheap quality chinese solar cell is happening. Industrial power generation can not see a cost effective way to integrate solar power into the system without dropping profit margins to record low levels. Cost of solar will be at an economical advantage in ten years due to dropping cost and the better battery systems emerging on to the market as well as the traditional electric generation cost doubling in 15 years.. Typical big boy politics protecting the donors by this administration(and past as well) are going to provide protection to the current power industry via tariff and regulation to save their backsides and keep their political donations. Tesla has all ready proven in practace that solar can supply island states with a cheaper more reliable power. Now australia is on board . Plans for new battery factories are past the permitting stage and into construction. People are building their own power walls with these batteries, just look at you tube and there are dozen of how to videos. These systems are not being made by joe jackleg but qualified engineers. ROI is favoring the common guy. I myself am installing a solar thermal heating system that will cost 1500 dollars us and and operation cost of 10 dollars a month.(latitude 35)
Again the window has opened for small scale independence and we all need to grab the brass ring while it is still in reach. My new "mantra" you don't have to be self sufficient with everything just one thing and do it well.
(why are we sending so much to ITER when we know it will never be net power in this generation, why not instead sponsor all the darks horses and we probably would have fusion and if not that then thorium fission.)
I am no fool, I understand we will need mass power generation for heavy industry. we will need mass power to supply the new city states that are emerging for the first time. A strong military runs on power. We just need to start planning for the future rather than the next board room meeting.
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