10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

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Indicating a shift in the commercial direction of the E-Cat, Andrea Rossi today said that he is no longer in control of the business side of his invention. Last year Rossi announced that he had entered into a partnership with an undisclosed American company and comments since then have indicated that he has sold both the IP to the company and R & D operations, and that his title is now Chief Scientist.
Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics a reader asked a question regarding his current role:
As Chief Scientist, you don’t control anymore the business or you‘ve got any kind of influence on it?
Rossi responded:
I am more interested to the scientific and technological development, I will not have control upon the business.

It’s not clear what this shift in roles will mean. Rossi has said that he found a partner who “shared our philosophy”, so one would expect that the sale would not have gone forward if the partner had plans that were not in harmony with Rossi’s own. But once control is gone, I don’t know how it can be regained if Rossi becomes dissatisfied with the direction the partner is taking. I am sure that there was plenty of discussion of management issues before the deal was struck — Rossi spoke of a ‘mammoth’ contract being signed.

What this will mean for the future of the E-Cat is impossible to say. We may know more when we find out who the mystery partner is.

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cheese power ala rossi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation ... rp03muquAo
its a ten min watch but shows that cheese power is real.

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303,
I suppose you would buy one?

[JoeP]

Indicating a shift in the commercial direction of the E-Cat, Andrea Rossi today said that he is no longer in control of the business side of his invention. Last year Rossi announced that he had entered into a partnership with an undisclosed American company and comments since then have indicated that he has sold both the IP to the company and R & D operations, and that his title is now Chief Scientist.
Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics a reader asked a question regarding his current role:
As Chief Scientist, you don’t control anymore the business or you‘ve got any kind of influence on it?
Rossi responded:
I am more interested to the scientific and technological development, I will not have control upon the business.

It’s not clear what this shift in roles will mean. Rossi has said that he found a partner who “shared our philosophy”, so one would expect that the sale would not have gone forward if the partner had plans that were not in harmony with Rossi’s own. But once control is gone, I don’t know how it can be regained if Rossi becomes dissatisfied with the direction the partner is taking. I am sure that there was plenty of discussion of management issues before the deal was struck — Rossi spoke of a ‘mammoth’ contract being signed.

What this will mean for the future of the E-Cat is impossible to say. We may know more when we find out who the mystery partner is.

This sets up Rossi pretty good if there is never any product or announcement from the undisclosed partner.
Conspiracy theorists will say that big oil or some such is suppressing Rossi's tech. And Rossi never has to reveal who he sold his IP to and who is working for. To me, this makes Rossi look like he is hiding stuff and it is a break from his earlier mantra of commercial success is the only relevant test and the only thing that ultimately matters. Chief Scientist? Embarrassing title.

OTOH, how does this announcement work with the Hydro Fusion deal also posted. Doesn't make sense.

[KitemanSA]

Interesting marketing strategy.

[seedload]

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Wow, this guy MAY be some sort of high energy/plasma physicist but his knowledge of condensed matter physics seems lacking.

The Coulomb barrier wouldn't be an issue to either a neutron (Widom-Larsen) or electron escorted proton (several others). In a plasma, a sea of free floating charges, his statement is probably true. In an engineered lattice eith potential quasi-particle behavior, not so much.

Gamma rays are a tough one unless one postulates that an escort electron is part of a large scale quasi-particle that absorbs the excitation energy across the entire particle. At that point, the emitted EM would be down in the xray or even UV frequencies. Again, a plasma physics onjection to a condensed matter situation.

Regarding the "Element" statement, again it reflects a sadly plasma-centric viewpoint. It is not fundamentally true that it is especially hard to combine a proton with another large nucleus. What IS quite difficult is in the absence of intervening particles to make the proton STICK. Adding a proton to a large nucleus releases a LOT of bonding energy. The easiest way to shed that energy is to reject a proton immediately. But if that proton is escorted by an electron, the electron can carry the energy away instead.

The author then devolves into condemning a subject because he doesn't like the way a demo is set up. That is akin to saying that paleontology is bunk because Dawson was a fraud. Silly argument.

The fifth point is where the author shows his true ignorance. Saying that you can patent something without revealing how it works is absurd. And if apple patented things with essential info missing, all he has evidence for is a lousy examiner of maybe patent fraud.

This article is a bigger load of bunk than the LENR it attacks, even Rossi's LENR.

Yeah, he obviously doesn't understand quasiparticles. He probably thinks that they are not real particles at all, but simply mathematical representations of the way ordinary particles behave in multi-body systems. It's almost like the entire idea of quasiparticles is that they are just a tool to solving complex problems, not real things.

And to imagine that he doesn't even bring up the "electron escorted proton" that is so fundamental to the field of condensed matter physics. Such ignorance.

Seriously, when did it become bunk to not reference bunk?

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This sets up Rossi pretty good if there is never any product or announcement from the undisclosed partner.
Conspiracy theorists will say that big oil or some such is suppressing Rossi's tech. And Rossi never has to reveal who he sold his IP to and who is working for. To me, this makes Rossi look like he is hiding stuff and it is a break from his earlier mantra of commercial success is the only relevant test and the only thing that ultimately matters. Chief Scientist? Embarrassing title.

OTOH, how does this announcement work with the Hydro Fusion deal also posted. Doesn't make sense.

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[KitemanSA]

Yeah, he obviously doesn't understand quasiparticles. He probably thinks that they are not real particles at all, but simply mathematical representations of the way ordinary particles behave in multi-body systems. It's almost like the entire idea of quasiparticles is that they are just a tool to solving complex problems, not real things.

And to imagine that he doesn't even bring up the "electron escorted proton" that is so fundamental to the field of condensed matter physics. Such ignorance.

Seriously, when did it become bunk to not reference bunk?

Polaritons are known to exist. Plasmons are known to exist. Both are "quasi particles". Both are plausible entrees to LENR. Arguing solid state (i.e. condensed matter) issues with HT (plasma) physics is rather silly.

[seedload]

Yeah, he obviously doesn't understand quasiparticles. He probably thinks that they are not real particles at all, but simply mathematical representations of the way ordinary particles behave in multi-body systems. It's almost like the entire idea of quasiparticles is that they are just a tool to solving complex problems, not real things.

And to imagine that he doesn't even bring up the "electron escorted proton" that is so fundamental to the field of condensed matter physics. Such ignorance.

Seriously, when did it become bunk to not reference bunk?

Polaritons are known to exist. Plasmons are known to exist. Both are "quasi particles". Both are plausible entrees to LENR. Arguing solid state (i.e. condensed matter) issues with HT (plasma) physics is rather silly.

What is silly is the notion that a physicist can't understand the basic principles of physics in areas of specialization other than his/her own. Does an HT physicist not understand nuclear fission because it involves neutrons? Does an HT physicist not accept muon catalyzed fusion because it is cold? Why would a mechanical engineer be more possessed with ability to comprehend condensed matter physics than a physicist - regardless of their specialization?

Anyway, I guess I don't understand the concept of quasiparticles that well. My understanding is that quasiparticles don't 'exist' in any traditional sense of the word. Rather, they are a shorthand way of describing how other elementary particles behave in a coordinated way within a solid. It is not like other forces cease to exist. Rather, the coordination of all of the forces make the particle behave in such and such a way that it can be described as if it were another imaginary particle - a quasiparticle. A quasiparticle is an emergent behavior of existing particles under certain conditions, not something that actually is. I believe that the concept of quasiparticles provides a simplified method for describing the macroscopic behavior of the system, not a license to disobey the quantum behavior. But maybe I have it wrong.

[KitemanSA]

It may be that HT physicists know something of condensed matter physics, but those weren't the arguments used by the author. Then of course, often the individual most unable to think in a subject is that individual who is very learned in another and mistakenly thinks that qualifies him.

[JoeP]

... Then of course, often the individual most unable to think in a subject is that individual who is very learned in another and mistakenly thinks that qualifies him.

This sums up the arrogance displayed on a constant basis all over the net and in academia.

[vivoaca]

... Then of course, often the individual most unable to think in a subject is that individual who is very learned in another and mistakenly thinks that qualifies him.

This sums up the arrogance displayed on a constant basis all over the net and in academia.

Actually, no wish to in any way criticize seedload. But, JoeP, you shouldn't say things like that. You might destabilize society. And another thing, if you start eroding the God-complex of graduates, what will that do to their creativity, especially in foreign fields? I mean, it might negatively impact their ability to contribute.

Behave yourself. Suck it up. Genius is genius.

[JoeP]

... Then of course, often the individual most unable to think in a subject is that individual who is very learned in another and mistakenly thinks that qualifies him.

This sums up the arrogance displayed on a constant basis all over the net and in academia.

Actually, no wish to in any way criticize seedload. But, JoeP, you shouldn't say things like that. You might destabilize society. And another thing, if you start eroding the God-complex of graduates, what will that do to their creativity, especially in foreign fields? I mean, it might negatively impact their ability to contribute.

Behave yourself. Suck it up. Genius is genius.

No intention to criticize seedload or anyone else. I enjoy reading almost everyone's comments in this site. I just found that Kite's comment is a pretty common problem that prevents discussions from being more productive, if less provocative.

[KitemanSA]

I just found that Kite's comment is a pretty common problem that prevents discussions from being more productive, if less provocative.

Excuse me. My comment, or what I commented on?

[JoeP]

I just found that Kite's comment is a pretty common problem that prevents discussions from being more productive, if less provocative.

Excuse me. My comment, or what I commented on?

I was agreeing in a general way with the sentiments you expressed in the following line: "Then of course, often the individual most unable to think in a subject is that individual who is very learned in another and mistakenly thinks that qualifies him."