GIThruster wrote:Jded wrote:
I was thinking in terms of "ordinary" mach thrusters. Using fully blown warp drive to stroll around in atmosphere seems... well, few orders of magnitude less likely (even with the technology given), then "all the people reporting these things being wrong"
Why? These reports of craft performing maneuvers in our atmosphere go back well before anyone had any idea how such a thing could be done. Today, the only plausible explanation for such acrobatics is warp drive. Why is it more plausible to assume all the eye witnesses are wrong, especially now that we have an idea what is necessary to do the same ourselves?
Just saying, M-E physics is what is required for a "space drive" as defined by Marc Millis during the Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project--basically a propellantless inertial thruster. It's also what is required for generating large quantities of negative mass with negative inertia, which is what is required for warp and wormhole construction.
I really don't care that people get all twitchy when UFO's are mentioned. They're a piece in the puzzle. Refusing to allow them as part of the big picture is most unscientific given the sheer weight of evidence they represent. If it makes people less anxious, I suppose they can tell themselves the inhabitants of such craft are our future spawn, traveled back through time as any respectable wormhole generator would allow. Or, people can tell themselves that the US must have stuff at Groom Lake able to make use of M-E physics for at least the last 6+ decades. Okay. Whatever. Personally, I wouldn't make any assumptions about who is flying these ships that have been observed. I'd just note the ships are exhibiting the characteristics uniquely explained by warp drive.
The point is, that it is not less likely that we've been observing warp drives for decades than it is everyone who has reported observing them is wrong. Anyone who looks at the evidence knows that's absurd.
there are plenty of reports of ghosts, bigfoot, chupacabras, images of the virgin Mary crying, etc. Please, cut the crap from this thread. Its NOT scientific no matter what you say. And no, its NOT important to this thread.
it may be INTERESTING as a SPECULATION, just like the speculation about dark energy. Now, when you twist the thread to support your UFO theories, or use your UFO theories to support ME, and pose it as TRUTH because of evidence YOU think its real, you are just ruining the thread and creating off-topic discussion.
you say that anyone who looks at the evidence knows its an absurd to not believe in UFOs (as aliens visiting us). However, there are PLENTY of people who have looked at UFO evidence and dismiss them. And then, of course, instead of responding appropriately, you consider them as skeptics with bad childhoods, because they dont agree with you. Please, stop being infantile. You dont own the truth. People who dismiss UFOs as alien constructs have as much reason to do so, and perhaps more, than you do to consider them real.
and that disagreement is bound to create an OFFTOPIC argument that is useless to this topic. Even if UFO´s are real and propelled by ME, the fact they are propelled by ME would still be only speculation, thus, again, useless to the thread.
its speculation about an speculation, and therefore, you should be using IFs and MAYBEs, instead of asserting that they are real, that they are spacecraft and that they almost surely are propelled by ME drives.