parallel wrote:tomclarke wrote:
BTW the guys who did this testing, Rowan, are not credible 3rd party testers. Nor are they credible chemists, and their report claiming they can't think of a chemical reaction would produce observed heat may be true but is no evidence for BLP claims.
What evidence do you have to back up your extreme claims?
I've seen plenty of the usual deniers make things up on blogs but no proof at all about what you claim.
I'm rather surprised you would pass on second-hand gossip.
wiki wrote:
Rowan University staff have been actively involved with BLP for many years. BLP is described as an affiliate company in an undergraduate report of BLP related experiments.[38] Rowan BLP related research has, at least, been partially funded by BLP [39][40] and it has often used materials and equipment supplied by BLP for the experiments.[41] Peter Jansson, a Rowan University Associate professor, has been involved with BLP since at least 1997. He was an executive with Altlantic Energy (a subsidiary of Conectiv in in 1999[42]) when Conectiv invested in BLP.[19] Jansson's 1997 master thesis was related to BLP theories, and he has been a credited author on several BLP related papers including two of the four most recently released. BLP has provided an academic scholarship for at least one of the Rowan University staff that have taken part in the BLP related research by Rowan University.[43]
In 2002 Rowan staff conducted research on a rocket engine based on BLP technology for the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC). The Phase I study was conducted at Rowan University and led by Rowan mechanical engineering professor Anthony Marchese. The team reported that with assistance from BLP, they successfully replicated previous results, including the observation of line broadening indicative of hydrogen atoms moving much faster than would ordinarily be expected under the experimental conditions. The team reported that two thrusters were built and successfully fired however the team did not succeed in making thrust measurements.[44] The project was not picked up for phase II NIAC funding by NASA.[45]
In 2008,[46] 2009[47] and 2010[48] BLP news releases cited research by Rowan University staff as independent verification of BLP claims. None of the reports for this research appears to have been submitted to peer reviewed journals for publication. The current version of the reports for this research can be found on the BLP web site. The reports describe calorimetric and analytical chemistry experiments that according to the summary section of the first report "confirms independently the empirical findings of BLP with respect to anomalous heat generation and chemical analysis".[41]
Rowan's chemistry department has no postgraduate courses and appears not to do any published research (please correct me if wrong). The BLP research has never been peer-reviewed published which if credible it surely would be?
Spectral analysis report summary:
In this work, potassium chloride and potassium iodide salts containing a new form of hydrogen (hydrino) were synthesized. Characterization using solid state MAS 1 H NMR of potassium chloride salt containing the hydrino hydrogen (KH*Cl) gave spectral features at ‐4.50 ppm and 1.20 ppm relative to tetramethylsilane (TMS) while liquid 1 H NMR gave less intense peaks at 1.20 ppm versus
TMS. MAS 1 H NMR of potassium iodide salt containing the hydrino hydrogen (KH*I) gave an intense broad peak at approximately ‐2.45 ppm relative to TMS while liquid 1 H NMR showed a very intense peak at approximately 1.258 ppm. These unusual upfield shifted peaks relative to the respective
ordinary molecular hydrogen (4.5 ppm in liquid NMR) and hydride (0.8 and 1.1 ppm in MAS 1 H NMR) 1 H NMR peak locations are similar to those reported by BLP. Samples synthesized using
chemicals provided by BLP also yielded similar MAS 1 H NMR spectral features. BLP has attributed these peaks to lower energy hydrogen (hydrino) as hydride ions (‐4.5 and ‐2.45 ppm in MAS 1 H
NMR) and molecular hydrino gas (1.2 ppm in liquid 1 H NMR). Neutron diffraction studies indicate the possibility of trapped interstitial atoms although the exact nature of these could not be
established unambiguously. Elemental analysis on these salts containing hydrino hydrogen showed negligible amounts of Be, Cr, Mn, Ni, Co, Zn, As, Ag, Cd, Sb, Ba and Pb
They claim unusual spectral lines in sample. If this is really the case, and Rowan competent, the paper would be publishable. I am not a chemist, and do not want to research this myself since it would take time. But maybe others have done this?
The recent Rowan paper on anomalous heat output studies a mixture of BLP reactants using water-flow basd calorimetry.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/Rowan2010.pdf
The heat output is measured as 3% greater than the heat input + known chemical reaction enthalpy for the reactants. This is then uprated to 5% by adding 2% for calorimeter losses.
Such a small level of increase over calculated is not credible evidence of a new state of hydrogen, or anything non-chemical. Rowan appear to take some care over the calorimetry (I don't know how much) much less over possible other exothermic reactions inside the vessel. The excess is so small it could have many possible explanations, even asuming there are no unaccounted experimental errors. It is well known that calorimetry is notoriously tricky to get right.
For this type of evidence to be credible it would need peer review by others to check calorimetriic methodology, and possibility of unnacounted exothermic reactions in material.
If hydrinos really exist it is sort of suprising that BLPs best efforts produce heat output no more than 5% greater than that expected from chemical reaction of the reactants. The expected energy available according to Mills is much higher than this. On the other hand it is not surprising, if you accept QT, that these results are found which are within the range of expected errors.
Best wishes, Tom