10KW LENR Demonstrator?

[chrismb]

A record!!

Biggest load of tosh the forum has ever seen!!

[Am]

A record!!

Biggest load of tosh the forum has ever seen!!

You really are the biggest idiot this forum has ever seen.

[Ivy Matt]

Biggest load of tosh the forum has ever seen!!

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7zurYv7Ag0

[chrismb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7zurYv7Ag0

. Yeah. Can't argue! Sums me up!!

[chrismb]

A record!!

Biggest load of tosh the forum has ever seen!!

You really are the biggest idiot this forum has ever seen.

At least I've encouraged you to post for the first time. [supposedly the first time! ]

Glad to see your first effort at an incisive observation is one of outstanding technical merit, well-supported by your ability at rational logic.

This thread seems to have acquired several first-time posters of equally outstanding logic and technical prowess at honing a near-flawless argument with their wit, intellect and propensity for level-headed rational debate.

[raphael]

On the basis of their "incisive observation" and "outstanding technical merit, well-supported by ... ability at rational logic" neither of the below-pasted comments merits a passing score....


"Biggest load of tosh the forum has ever seen!!"

"You really are the biggest idiot this forum has ever seen."

[Skipjack]

Chris, Giorgio, I think it is about time you and me take a deep breath and leave the thread allone until some new/real information about Rossis LENR device is available. I would suggest that to everybody else as well, but I dont think that they will listen.
You seem to have more brains that most here, so maybe you will be able to get over it and leave it be. Let the Rossi followers write 100 more pages of pointless, completely unfounded speculation! Who cares?
We can keep an eye on things from the distance. If there is no new/real facts known by November, we will at least have confirmation, if only for ourselves...
You wont be able to convert the "true believers" on this forum. So let it be...

[MSimon]

On the basis of their "incisive observation" and "outstanding technical merit, well-supported by ... ability at rational logic" neither of the below-pasted comments merits a passing score....

"Biggest load of tosh the forum has ever seen!!"

"You really are the biggest idiot this forum has ever seen."

Au contraire. They merit the highest score possible.

[MSimon]

You seem to have more brains that most here

I claim the fewest. And I lack the papers to prove it.

[raphael]

MSimon,

Your views regarding "la magia del ingeniero Rossi" seem a little harsh. Your sense of humor, OTOH, is first rate. Enjoy.

[raphael]

Someone on this thread had asked why they couldn't build a RossiFusion dingus as a garage-workshop project.

Well, this guy says you can ....

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Direc ... _Generator

(you must scroll down to the "Do it Yourself" heading)

(don't try this unless you know what you're doing and understand all the risks)

[Ivy Matt]

I would be interested to hear a credible idea of how this is still not a major breakthrough if all of the claims are true.

If all the claims are true, it would be a major breakthrough. Whether all the claims are true is a point of contention.

Nobody has brought up the size or quality of this scam if it is not real.

You haven't read all 100 pages, have you? It's a fair point, though, and one that I don't think has a very satisfactory answer yet from the skeptic side.

Aditionally, isn't the best payout on the scam to sell licences, so why would you include as part of your scam a figure who supposedly bought the North American licence.

If it's a scam, I doubt most of the money would be obtained from selling licenses. Someone else mentioned the possibility of making money shorting traditional energy stocks, but I think the most likely scam scenario is a pump and dump scheme. Just imagine it: Ampenergo (and/or Defkalion) is about to go public. You have a chance to get in on the ground floor of this world-changing technology—a once in a lifetime opportunity! What if you had been able to buy Microsoft or Google stock when those companies first went public? Well, now is your chance to make history, and make a killing while you're at it! How could you possibly pass it by? As soon as Ampenergo (and/or Defkalion) goes public, there's a mad rush to buy stock while it's still low. The stock price rises dramatically. It becomes big news, and soon the market is flooded with investors desperately trying to get in while the price is still relatively low. The stock price skyrockets, breaking all records, seemingly without any end in sight. Then, suddenly, the insiders cash in their stocks. As soon as the savviest investors realize what's happening, they sell their stocks as well. Like a game of hot potato or musical chairs, soon there's a mad rush to sell Ampenergo (and/or Defkalion) stock before it gets any lower. The stock price drops precipitously until it hits rock bottom. Those who are late to the game are forced to sell at a loss, although a few savvy investors manage to make a modest profit off the dead cat bounce.

Mind you, I have about as much evidence of this scenario as I have of Rossi's catalyst.

There are also founders of an energy consultant business that have had complete access to an e-cat and were willing to invest money into the project and act excited. If there is a scam or significant error in the quality of the e-cat they are going to hurt their existing business.

"Existing business"? You're talking about Defkalion and/or Ampenergo, right?

I'll repeat that science and quality of the public demonstration leave much to be desired and would not invest my own money or time expection of making money based off the current information out there, but there are some reasons to hope.

I agree.

[Ivy Matt]

Someone on this thread had asked why they couldn't build a RossiFusion dingus as a garage-workshop project.

Well, this guy says you can ....

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Direc ... _Generator

(you must scroll down to the "Do it Yourself" heading)

(don't try this unless you know what you're doing and understand all the risks)

Odd, he says there is no catalyst; or rather, that the catalyst is a thermal heat threshold, not an element or combination of elements. He also claims that the reaction can be sustained for six months or more, but doesn't claim to have actually achieved it. His comments are all from January 23, so it would be interesting to follow up with him and see what progress, if any, he has made since then. In the absence of any solid information on the catalyst, I suppose you could still build the device and see how well it worked without catalyst. If not well enough, then you could experiment until you find a catalyst that works. No patent application filed, no non-disclosure agreement signed, no problem.

[Luzr]

Kiteman,

OK. Six years from the first demonstrated transistor to a transistor INDUSTRY.

Over twenty years from P&F to no industry. In fact no working power plant of any dimension.

I'm not saying that 6 years is enough for LENR. What I am saying is that over 20 years seems excessive.

In that case, there is no chance for "hot" fusion either...

The difference is that for hot fusion we have an acceptable theory (it matches the rest of what we know)

...and we do not have acceptable theory for LENR. Just observed phenomena (well, maybe, but let us presome this).

Where does that puts cold fusion vs hot fusion on timeline?

[Ivy Matt]

All right, here's a promising rumor:

Andrea Rossi's technology produces huge amounts of energy due to an undisclosed catalyst that is composed of two elements that are not radioactive and are not precious metals. He has filed a patent application covering this catalyst. Although a patent covering his reactor design has been published (and granted in Italy), it does not disclose the catalyst. It has been speculated that the patent application for the catalyst is about to be published. This may or may not be the case, because there are ways to prevent a patent application being published before the patent is granted. For example, making many changes to the patent application delays it being published. No one knows if Rossi is taking such steps to prevent his secret from being revealed.

I know, this is PESN, and no source is given, but I vaguely recall reading a similar rumor somewhere before, not long ago. I don't know much about tricks to delay the publication of a patent application, but ordinarily a patent application is published 18 months from its filing date. When that happens, my major source of doubt will be removed. However, I will note that, if the patent application was filed or changed recently, the date by which it must be published is well after when the E-Cats are supposed to go on the market. If this is a scam, the patent on the catalyst will be a moot point by the time it's published. If this thing actually works, however, perhaps knowing there is a patent application in the pipeline will deter would-be reverse engineers from trying to copy the catalyst and sell devices of a different design using the same catalyst. Rossi's intellectual property strategy is starting to make more sense. I still think Piantelli's patent application might be a problem for Rossi. I expect he will fight it out in court, but I think the best solution will probably be a licensing agreement between the parties.