10KW LENR Demonstrator?

[cg66]

Sorry to drag this back to facts.

Rossi, on his blog, quite definitely said that he enriched his Ni to get get Ni62, Ni64 because other isotopes did not work.

This is not consistent with the above isotopic measurements.

Rossi said this maybe because it was consistent with his proton capture idea and Cu63, Cu65 in ash.

But he must know whether or not he enriches the Ni.

So is he lying on his blog? Or what?

Tom

This page of Rossi blog comments and next are when Rossi reveals the enrichment:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.c ... 2#comments

Tom - good point - he seems pretty clear on the enrichment -question is if he is trying to keep the sauce secret would he give the enriched "fuel" for a full isotope analysis?
Also if you continue to follow Ekstroms thread he is no less skeptical but somehow out of all this Professor Kullander has a new LERN theory Ekstrom is excited about. I'm having trouble connecting analysis of the ash of Rossi's experiment (oops er um device, test engineering thingy) to this leap - the Swedish translation may be hindering that....

Ludwik Kowalski
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Andrea Rossi wrote (see above, that “the isotopes which are turned into copper are the 62 and 64 Ni.”

1) Yes, the 63Cu and 65Cu, if produced from fusion of protons with 62Ni and 64Ni, would be stable. But natural abundancies of these isotopes of nickel, 3.7% and 1.8%, respectively, are too low to be consistent with the claimed accumulation of 30% of copper. Do you agree, Andrea Rossi?

2) HRG asked for the data on the isotopic composition of Ni and Cu in spent fuel. I am also waiting for the answer.

3) I also would like to know the approximate mass of nickel powder in the 12 kW reactor demonstrated in January.

Thank you in advance. And good luck. The world is waiting for clean, and less expensive, nuclear energy.

Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)
Professor Emeritus
Montclair State University, USA

Andrea Rossi
March 23rd, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Dear Prof. Ludwik Kowalski:
1- Very good question, Professor: from my side, I cannot give information about the treatment we make with the Ni powders, but from your side, if you analyze carefully your question, it contains the answer.
2- Cu is 63 and 65. Ni is…( he,he,he…)
3- The average charge is around 100 g
Thank you very much, Prof. Kowalski, for the great job you made in your life as a professor and as a fighter for freedom. And thank you for your very kind attention,
Warm Regards,
Andrea Rossi

[ladajo]

So it seems that Rossi is saying without saying that he is enriching the 62 and 64Ni content of the powder.

[Ivy Matt]

Not exactly enrichment, but I am intrigued by Christos Stremmenos' comments on degassing nickel in his interview with Daniele Passerini:

There’s a very important fact regarding [nickel] powder. The last student who got his degree with me, (incidentally, he was Greek), made a very interesting observation regarding nickel powder. Nickel powders alone do not absorb all that much hydrogen. If you put them there … in a cell, of course — we had a sophisticated calorimetry cell where we measured variations in temperature and in the quantity of heat produced in a very rigorous manner — we found that, at best, we could get one, two or three Watts, and so did Sergio Focardi. Focardi however — as a professor of Nuclear Physics — was also interested in studying nuclear parameters ... and structure modifications as well … in short, we were complementary to each other.

Anyhow, this is very important, because I observed it and then told Sergio. If we degassed (nickel powder, at this point) at an extremely low pressure, i.e.. 10^-6, which is one-millionth of atmospheric pressure, for one week at a temperature of 500° [Celsius], so that all the oxides on the surface of the micro-particles of nickel were eliminated (this means all of the oxides that have formed, because we are surrounded by an oxygen atmosphere) ... well, upon charging it, it sucked up, how can I put it, an enormous quantity of hydrogen (I was using hydrogen). And the temperature, which had been 500°, began to rise considerably, and got higher and higher, over the 1000° mark. I got scared, and shut everything down [laughs], because, I said to myself, “This is going to blow up”!

The temperature went up very fast. Probably there was chemical reaction too ... specifically, hydrides were being formed, which are... I didn’t have the patience to wait until it reached a steady level, but the previous experiments which … as far as exothermic emission from nickel is concerned … this excess [of heat] went on even for six months, so it did … but it wasn’t absorbing all that much hydrogen ... so I understood that the trick was purifying the nickel as much as possible...

So, nickel powder. You spoke of degassing, taking the oxygen out...

Talking out all the gases it absorbs … plus the oxides formed on the surface of the nickel micro-particles.

And how do you do proceed to do this with nickel powder?

By heating it. Heating it up to around 500° and lowering the pressure — I was way ahead there — to 10^-6 , which is to say one-millionth of an atmosphere. Anyhow, maybe even a little bit would have been enough, and of course you had to leave the specimen there for several days and then …

Any scientists out there have a take on this?

Note: I'm not sure how to do superscripts in this forum, so I added exponent carets to the quote.

[scalziand]

The folks at the Oil Drum are having a thread about the Energy Catalyzer, and it is rather amusing how some of the commenters are scared less over the prospect of practical fusion.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7942

[MSimon]

Giorgio,

I'm not big on shutting down discussion. But if you can get folks to move to a new thread I'm all for it. I'll move too.

Perversely I'd like to see this go to 200 pages.

For me the idea to lock this thread was just to avoid that it gets filled by groundless opinions.
I know myself, and I know that I cannot refrain myself from posting a reply if I see one. :roll:

Ah. So you want me to save you from yourself. Beyond my powers I fear.

[MSimon]

Andrea Rossi has confirmed that the manufacturing of the 330 E-Cat modules that will make up the first 1 MW plant has been completed. Rossi has said that there are two factories in the US involved in the manufacturing of the devices.

So the power plant is built; what happens between now and October. About this, Rossi said, “Now goes on the testing of each of them and the construction of the container.”

Building the right container could be quite a challenge. This has to get to Greece from the United States with its contents in one piece! Rossi has said that the dimensions will be 3m x 2m x 2m and will weigh 2 tons.

ref http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/05/18/al ... is-needed/

1 m^3 full of water (density = 1 by definition) = 1 metric ton.

3 X 2 X 2 = 12 m^3 or 12 metric tons density = 1. Getting 2 tons of stuff in such a container is going to be tough.

/sarc

[MSimon]

Seedload: And your point is what?

When new business entities are being set up, this kind of thing is not unusual.

Wasn't Facebook started in a dorm room?

I wonder what the first address of Apple Computer was? Have you checked the market capitalization of AAPL lately?

Well yeah. All Facebook was mfg. was software. And I was manufacturing computer boards in what amounted to a garage I lived in. But only prototypes. I contracted out production.

I suppose it all depends in the chemical process done on the Ni. I wonder if they are doing gaseous enrichment or some other process (waving a Magic Wand)?

We are now at the "we have made deals" phase of the scam.

I can't wait for "we have a customer - the contract is signed" i.e. we will buy all you can produce IF IT WORKS.

[MSimon]

The link doesn't open because this website has, apparently, a length limit.

It can be cut/pasted.

Suggest you do so before displaying any more of your "expertise" regarding containers and/or equipment built to be transported by container-moving cranes, trucks (lorries?), etc.

I cut and pasted in in your original post - go back a few pages - I even turned it into a link - it doesn't work. Probably a Rossi design.

[MSimon]

Not exactly enrichment, but I am intrigued by Christos Stremmenos' comments on degassing nickel in his interview with Daniele Passerini:

There’s a very important fact regarding [nickel] powder. The last student who got his degree with me, (incidentally, he was Greek), made a very interesting observation regarding nickel powder. Nickel powders alone do not absorb all that much hydrogen. If you put them there … in a cell, of course — we had a sophisticated calorimetry cell where we measured variations in temperature and in the quantity of heat produced in a very rigorous manner — we found that, at best, we could get one, two or three Watts, and so did Sergio Focardi. Focardi however — as a professor of Nuclear Physics — was also interested in studying nuclear parameters ... and structure modifications as well … in short, we were complementary to each other.

Anyhow, this is very important, because I observed it and then told Sergio. If we degassed (nickel powder, at this point) at an extremely low pressure, i.e.. 10^-6, which is one-millionth of atmospheric pressure, for one week at a temperature of 500° [Celsius], so that all the oxides on the surface of the micro-particles of nickel were eliminated (this means all of the oxides that have formed, because we are surrounded by an oxygen atmosphere) ... well, upon charging it, it sucked up, how can I put it, an enormous quantity of hydrogen (I was using hydrogen). And the temperature, which had been 500°, began to rise considerably, and got higher and higher, over the 1000° mark. I got scared, and shut everything down [laughs], because, I said to myself, “This is going to blow up”!

The temperature went up very fast. Probably there was chemical reaction too ... specifically, hydrides were being formed, which are... I didn’t have the patience to wait until it reached a steady level, but the previous experiments which … as far as exothermic emission from nickel is concerned … this excess [of heat] went on even for six months, so it did … but it wasn’t absorbing all that much hydrogen ... so I understood that the trick was purifying the nickel as much as possible...

So, nickel powder. You spoke of degassing, taking the oxygen out...

Talking out all the gases it absorbs … plus the oxides formed on the surface of the nickel micro-particles.

And how do you do proceed to do this with nickel powder?

By heating it. Heating it up to around 500° and lowering the pressure — I was way ahead there — to 10^-6 , which is to say one-millionth of an atmosphere. Anyhow, maybe even a little bit would have been enough, and of course you had to leave the specimen there for several days and then …

Any scientists out there have a take on this?

Note: I'm not sure how to do superscripts in this forum, so I added exponent carets to the quote.

I have an engineering take - the device will not produce enough power to heat the Ni to 500C for a week in a 1E-6 atm environment. Nor keep the pumps running.

I must say that I'm not near as good as the Red Queen.

There is always a certain "flavor" these scams have. I'm tasting it.

Of course for the sake of the world I'd LOVE TO BE PROVED WRONG.

[tomclarke]

Not exactly enrichment, but I am intrigued by Christos Stremmenos' comments on degassing nickel in his interview with Daniele Passerini:

There’s a very important fact regarding [nickel] powder. The last student who got his degree with me, (incidentally, he was Greek), made a very interesting observation regarding nickel powder. Nickel powders alone do not absorb all that much hydrogen. If you put them there … in a cell, of course — we had a sophisticated calorimetry cell where we measured variations in temperature and in the quantity of heat produced in a very rigorous manner — we found that, at best, we could get one, two or three Watts, and so did Sergio Focardi. Focardi however — as a professor of Nuclear Physics — was also interested in studying nuclear parameters ... and structure modifications as well … in short, we were complementary to each other.

Anyhow, this is very important, because I observed it and then told Sergio. If we degassed (nickel powder, at this point) at an extremely low pressure, i.e.. 10^-6, which is one-millionth of atmospheric pressure, for one week at a temperature of 500° [Celsius], so that all the oxides on the surface of the micro-particles of nickel were eliminated (this means all of the oxides that have formed, because we are surrounded by an oxygen atmosphere) ... well, upon charging it, it sucked up, how can I put it, an enormous quantity of hydrogen (I was using hydrogen). And the temperature, which had been 500°, began to rise considerably, and got higher and higher, over the 1000° mark. I got scared, and shut everything down [laughs], because, I said to myself, “This is going to blow up”!

The temperature went up very fast. Probably there was chemical reaction too ... specifically, hydrides were being formed, which are... I didn’t have the patience to wait until it reached a steady level, but the previous experiments which … as far as exothermic emission from nickel is concerned … this excess [of heat] went on even for six months, so it did … but it wasn’t absorbing all that much hydrogen ... so I understood that the trick was purifying the nickel as much as possible...

So, nickel powder. You spoke of degassing, taking the oxygen out...

Talking out all the gases it absorbs … plus the oxides formed on the surface of the nickel micro-particles.

And how do you do proceed to do this with nickel powder?

By heating it. Heating it up to around 500° and lowering the pressure — I was way ahead there — to 10^-6 , which is to say one-millionth of an atmosphere. Anyhow, maybe even a little bit would have been enough, and of course you had to leave the specimen there for several days and then …

Any scientists out there have a take on this?

Note: I'm not sure how to do superscripts in this forum, so I added exponent carets to the quote.

I have an engineering take - the device will not produce enough power to heat the Ni to 500C for a week in a 1E-6 atm environment. Nor keep the pumps running.

I must say that I'm not near as good as the Red Queen.

There is always a certain "flavor" these scams have. I'm tasting it.

Of course for the sake of the world I'd LOVE TO BE PROVED WRONG.

You have only to read Rossi's blog. If it looks like a duck...

[Giorgio]

Giorgio,

I'm not big on shutting down discussion. But if you can get folks to move to a new thread I'm all for it. I'll move too.

Perversely I'd like to see this go to 200 pages.

For me the idea to lock this thread was just to avoid that it gets filled by groundless opinions.
I know myself, and I know that I cannot refrain myself from posting a reply if I see one.

Ah. So you want me to save you from yourself. Beyond my powers I fear.

Heh, my bad luck.

[Ivy Matt]

The folks at the Oil Drum are having a thread about the Energy Catalyzer, and it is rather amusing how some of the commenters are scared less over the prospect of practical fusion.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7942

This gives me an idea.

Within a few months I will begin selling unobtainium futures on the market in order to finance my new starship design corporation. The first 5000 shares will only be available to Talk Polywell commenters. Who wants in?

[MSimon]

The folks at the Oil Drum are having a thread about the Energy Catalyzer, and it is rather amusing how some of the commenters are scared :!: :!: :!: less over the prospect of practical fusion.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7942

This gives me an idea. :twisted:

Within a few months I will begin selling unobtainium futures on the market in order to finance my new starship design corporation. The first 5000 shares will only be available to Talk Polywell commenters. Who wants in?

As moderator I promise to not delete any posts pertaining to the project.

What is my cut?

[Ivy Matt]

First dibs on the shares—as many as you can afford—and I'll pay your attorney's fees if the whole enterprise goes pear-shaped.

[seedload]

Sorry to drag this back to facts.

Rossi, on his blog, quite definitely said that he enriched his Ni to get get Ni62, Ni64 because other isotopes did not work.

This is not consistent with the above isotopic measurements.

Rossi said this maybe because it was consistent with his proton capture idea and Cu63, Cu65 in ash.

But he must know whether or not he enriches the Ni.

So is he lying on his blog? Or what?

Tom

Don't expect a response to this. I have been saying this forever in this thread and haven't gotten one.

Rossi, himself, claims enrichment. Not only is it not consistent with reports but he also claims that it only adds 10% cost to the powder. This requires another miracle.

MSIMON, not chemical separation, this is isotopic separation carried out in an apartment in Miami. Apparently some other process than the gas centrifuge cascade pictured below. Don't think that fits in the apartment.



So, not only has he solved the worlds energy crisis with an invention that does things that can't be explained by science, but he has also solved the problem of isotopic separation costs and implemented the process in a 'factory' of Leonardo Corporation that is nothing more than a rancher in the woods of NH and a small apartment in Miami Beach.

Oh yeah, and the invention also cures cancer! OK, not his claim, but the claim of his buddy.

And I am supposed to be respectful about this? Have a reasonable discourse? So silly.

Oh, and Parallel, stop asking me for content when you ignore the content I provide.