Soo... a quick update on the court proceedings, and then a look at the engineering of the steam pipe requirements for a 1MW E-cat.
The court recently threatened Rossiclown with sanctions if he continues to fail to produce required discovery items. In addition, most of his activity lately seems to be a fishing expedition seeking a potential smoking gun regarding IH and Cherokee conspiring to defraud him. The comedy aspect, is that while he is doing this, each new snippet of evidence from discovery that is made public paints a deeper darker picture for Rossiclown. Recently, Penon was scheduled for a Deposition in the Dominican Republic, as well as Fabiani in Russia. So the missing Penon has finally surfaced, and also apparently has refused to return to the U.S. (wonder why?) for proceedings. Also, it appears that the Fake Customer Rep. Bass is also being or was already Deposed.
On the other note, there are some idiots over at LENR-Forum who obviously have no experience or background in steam engineering who are attempting to argue that the steam produced for 1MW is manageable by the known to date plant parameters for the E-Cat. This is horseshit, as much so as Rossiclown's previous claims of power and steam production from his early units. Some may recall I showed the math and compared that to the claimed evidence written, verbal, and video from those small units and demonstrated the falsehoods by Rossiclown.
Therefore, in that spirit, here are some quick numbers and back of the envelope engineering in regard to the Doral Plant showing it is a pipedream, pun intended:
I freely invite anyone to review my work below and provide critique or feedback. If I made a mistake, let me know and I will fix it.
I also invite, again..., our resident Rossibot, Parallel, to dispute the engineering below. I expect, as last time, he can not.
Noted size of steam pipe (Murray Letter to Penon asking questions): DN40
Noted pressure of Steam from court submissions: 1 bar (assumed from 0 Bar gauge), this is equivilant to atmospheric, which was also stated by Rossiclown a number of times...
Noted temperature of Steam from court submissions: 102 (rough average from the data). Note that this implies superheat of 2 degrees for 1 bar, which is not really a big deal from an energy transport perspective verses saturated steam enthalpy. 2 degrees at those pressures is essentially meaningless for superheat.
Noted claimed power output of plant from court submissions: 1MW
So from this we can do a quick idiot check for the pipe engineering...
DN40 pipe is nominally 43mm for internal diameter, and is suggested to support a maximum steam flowrate of 100kg/hr at 25 meters per second for steam at 1bar. If you up the velocity to 40m/s, then you can get about 172 kg/hr.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/steam ... d_258.html
From here we ask ourselves, what is the maximum rated flow of heat energy in a DN40 pipe flowing 172kg/hr (assumed high end velocity 40m/s or 90miles/hr - high steam speeds erode piping, thus there are speed limits...) with a temperature of 102C, and pressure of 1 bar (0 bar g)?
First we need to check the enthalpy of 100C / 1 bar saturated steam, which is about 2680 kJ/kg.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/satur ... d_457.html
Then we can solve for power using the basic steam flow-power equation: Mass flow rate = 3600 * P / He where P is power in Kw, He is enthalpy, and Mass flow is Kg per hour.
Thus, we know Velocity, He, and do not P, solving for P gives: P = Ms * He / 3600
Which provides a result: (172 * 2680) / 3600 = 128.8 Kw (which is strangely in the realm of the reported power usage data).
This is far short of the stated 1MW.
Now, let's look at it from the other angle of what mass flow rate of steam is needed to present 1MW?
Solving for knowns of P = 1MW, and He = 2680, we get Ms = (3600 * P) / He, or Ms = (3600 * 1000) / 2680 or 1343.3 kg/hr (which is a lot of flow!)
Now we can solve for DN40 pipe velocity to move 1343.3 kg/hr of saturated steam (or slight super heat).
For comparison we will also solve for 172 kg/hr of steam as the calculated maximum capacity of DN40 pipe.
The relevant engineering equation is Ms = 3600 * pi * (v/V) * (d / 2)^2 where v is Steam Velocity in m/s, V is Specific Volume of Steam in m^3/kg, and d is inner pipe diameter in m. Thus solving for v we get v = Ms * V / (3600 * pi * (d / 2)^2) or v = 1343.3 * 1.600 (estimated) / (3600 * pi * (.043 / 2)^2) = 411m/s or 900mph. That is pretty fast, in fact about Mach 1.2. Talk about noisy, and erosive...
Now to calculate the velocity at maximum capacity for DN40 of 172 kg/hr we get v = 172 * 1.600 (estimated) / (3600 * pi * (.043 / 2)^2) = 52m/s or 117mph. That is fast, and noisy, however nowhere near the claimed 1MW, at 128Kw it is about 12% of it. This check also shows our math/process is reasonable given the estimated 40m/s for DN40 pipe at 172kg/hr. The difference being that we estimated the enthalpy for 1 bar / 102 degrees (which is a very slight superheat condition). For reference, 100.1C at 1 bar (atmospheric) steam is 2675.8 Kj/Kg enthalpy, and 102C at 1 bar steam is 2679.8 Kj/Kg. A difference of 4 Kj/Kg, and 4Kj is equivalent to 1.1 watt-hours. (ie. not much...)
Great little government provided water properties calculator provided here (however units are English, so for metric you need to convert):
https://www4.eere.energy.gov/manufactur ... /propSteam
So what do we know now?
DN40 pipe if in fact the steam pipe used for Doral is massively inadequate. In addition, it would probably not last long from an application perspective, even if running at only 128Kw max rating for the temps/pressures submitted to the court.
And..., if you wanted to achieve the 1MW claimed rating with DN40, you would have steam running at 1.5Mach with a volumetric flow rate of 1343.3 kg/hr for the court submitted temp/pressures.
Does this sound reasonable? Not so much to me. Be a lotta hearing protection going on that was never seen in ANY photos of folks hanging around the plant. Mach 1.5 steam is not quiet.
Sooo, one last point: What would be a reasonable size of pipe for 1MW at 1 bar and 102 degrees?
If you went for 25m/s (decent velocity) for 102C / 1 bar steam at a mass flow rate of 1343.3kg/hr (1MW equivalent heat energy), you are looking at a 150mm (about 6 inches) pipe inner diameter.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/steam ... d_258.html
Anyone recall seeing a 150mm(6 inch) diameter steam outlet pipe in any Doral pictures? Or a 150mm(6 inch) steam pipe in ANY E-Cat photo ever???
Not me... some folks argued DN80, however, that is also too small... as shown above you are looking for DN150 to meet the requirements.
Once again basic physics defeats Rossiclown's claims.
Rossi is full of shit.
Edits: Added small bit about scope and scale perspective to the superheat argument, added to link to Government Water Properties Calculator to help the challenged, and fixed a typo (172Kg/hr vice the typo'd 128Kw here: will also solve for
128 kg/hr of steam). The following calculation was correct, using 172.