Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:48 pm
Why bother yourself with such details?MSimon wrote:True that. Now what keeps them isolated? And how much energy does it take?
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Why bother yourself with such details?MSimon wrote:True that. Now what keeps them isolated? And how much energy does it take?
Amusement.Giorgio wrote:Why bother yourself with such details?MSimon wrote:True that. Now what keeps them isolated? And how much energy does it take?
No, I am pointing out that you seem to be VERY sure about Rossi but you are unable, or at least unwilling to provide ANY data as to why. When asked to explain yourself, you just go off on a rant about how you have such and so learning and others don't (though how you know that is also a mystery).Joseph Chikva wrote:Is this a linguistic forum? Or you are pointing out on bad English as last argument when all arguments of physics are ending?KitemanSA wrote:Often they have none and get mad at me for pointing that out. Life it tough.
Let's assume that some low energy gamma rays are produced and that they don't escape the E-Cat (i.e. the shielding is enough to absorb them).Giorgio wrote:Miracle and/or imaginary scientific event: Check!As the nuclear reactions take place, the vast majority of gamma radiation that would be produced in such a nuclear reaction, are instantly converted into heat energy.
Yes, but ~6MeV is NOT a low energy gamma. Something ELSE must be at work, if this thing actually does work.Carl White wrote:Let's assume that some low energy gamma rays are produced and that they don't escape the E-Cat (i.e. the shielding is enough to absorb them).Giorgio wrote:Miracle and/or imaginary scientific event: Check!As the nuclear reactions take place, the vast majority of gamma radiation that would be produced in such a nuclear reaction, are instantly converted into heat energy.
Wouldn't that process of being absorbed result in the conversion of the energy into heat?
Of course that is possible. Care to run some numbers? I'll even volunteer. You tell me how many reactions a second take place for an 12 KW e-cat (~ 470 KW/40 reactors). Throw me a number for gamma energy. And I'll calculate the shielding required. You won't like the number.Carl White wrote:Let's assume that some low energy gamma rays are produced and that they don't escape the E-Cat (i.e. the shielding is enough to absorb them).Giorgio wrote:Miracle and/or imaginary scientific event: Check!As the nuclear reactions take place, the vast majority of gamma radiation that would be produced in such a nuclear reaction, are instantly converted into heat energy.
Wouldn't that process of being absorbed result in the conversion of the energy into heat?
You are wrong. I am only saying that any conjecture without any data does not make sense and reminds guessing on a coffee thick. And again, people not knowing some very basic things can not go in depth in quantum physics. I am not trained in quantum too. But calorimetry is not quantum and Rossi did not or could not provide.KitemanSA wrote:When asked to explain yourself, you just go off on a rant about how you have such and so learning and others don't (though how you know that is also a mystery). XY&Z.
No, but I don't claim to know the answer either. I am SEEKING data to make a decision, You seem to have decided without data. If you HAVE the data, please provide it.Joseph Chikva wrote:Have you such data?KitemanSA wrote:When asked to explain yourself, you just go off on a rant about how you have such and so learning and others don't (though how you know that is also a mystery).
Sorry, what?Joseph Chikva wrote: What do you talk about?
Till now we do not know does device produce heat exciding chemical reaction yield.
I suspect that if Rossi were a scientist, and scientifically proved what he claims, he would get the Nobel. As it is, he seems more interested in potentially earning big money. Whether he gets it by something real of by a scam (or maybe doesn't get it) remains to be seen. But there seem to be several processes that MIGHT produce what he claims, processes which do NOT seem to contradict physics.Joseph Chikva wrote: Only for discovery of phenomenon that some chemical compound can catalyze nuclear reaction Rossi can receive Nobel Prize. And you have a right to believe him. But that is conter logic.
Make a decision? Please, make a decision on my claim that I can levitate over the ground. No large launch vehicle like Saturn, Soyuz or Arian are required with consumption of many tons of cryogenic fuel per second. Please send me 100 thousands USD.KitemanSA wrote:No, but I don't claim to know the answer either. I am SEEKING data to make a decision, You seem to have decided without data. If you HAVE the data, please provide it.
Without more data hard to decide.Joseph Chikva wrote:Make a decision? Please, make a decision on my claim that I can levitate over the ground. No large launch vehicle like Saturn, Soyuz or Arian are required with consumption of many tons of cryogenic fuel per second. Please send me 100 thousands USD.KitemanSA wrote:No, but I don't claim to know the answer either. I am SEEKING data to make a decision, You seem to have decided without data. If you HAVE the data, please provide it.
Only if he can keep his hydrogens separated.Luzr wrote:(Now Rossi is most likely a scam anyway, but I agree with Kiteman there is a small amount of hope still...)
The fundamental difference between you and Rossi is the push to make a decision. Rossi has not asked me to decide. I can remain open to my lack of information. You requested I send you a bunch of money. For that I must decide. Based on your personality, I feel you are being false and a scam. I choose not to send you any money.Joseph Chikva wrote:Make a decision? Please, make a decision on my claim that I can levitate over the ground. No large launch vehicle like Saturn, Soyuz or Arian are required with consumption of many tons of cryogenic fuel per second. Please send me 100 thousands USD.KitemanSA wrote:No, but I don't claim to know the answer either. I am SEEKING data to make a decision, You seem to have decided without data. If you HAVE the data, please provide it.
Ah, the con man seeks an accomplise. No thanks, not interested.Joseph Chikva wrote: Oh, I forgot to say - I will show you levitating ring over the hidden magnet. The last should be a big secret between me and you.
Yup, and if you are a good con, that is what they should be doing. Only when you ask for their money (or someone else for whom they feel responsible) should they necessarily decide.Joseph Chikva wrote: When people will ask physical priciples we will answer that it is an industrial secret. But some people like Mr. Parallel, Mr. Axis or Mr. Icarus will speculate about e.g. casually found out the method of gravitons generation.