Heisenburg Limit Broken

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:49 pm

Interesting...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... limit.html

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:53 pm

Its BERG. HeisenbErg, not bUrg.
One is a mountain, the other a castle.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:21 pm

I am not famous for my spelling. Or, maybe I am...

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:06 am

Perhaps you are INfamous for your LACK of spelling? But you are good at spelling compared to many on this forum!

krenshala · Post by **krenshala** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:10 am

Yeah, (mis)spelling can get interesting on the forums sometimes.

Skipjack wrote:Its BERG. HeisenbErg, not bUrg.
One is a mountain, the other a castle.

I can never remember which is which. "berg" is the castle?

OT: Interesting. I still think interferometry won't detect gravity waves, but I can see the usefulness for other things.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:53 am

IceBERG is the mountain?

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:33 am

It's probably not gonna be ice castle.
I reckon burg is the castle. It looks like the same root as bourgeois.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:52 am

Skipjack wrote:Its BERG. HeisenbErg, not bUrg.
One is a mountain, the other a castle.

So is he Heisen-mountain or Heisen-castle? What's a Heisen, or maybe where is Heisen?

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:56 am

Isn't a Heisen some sort of trophy...? Oh, wait...

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:57 am

I remember now... a Heisen is the trophy those Rockstar Drag Racing Mice get when they win a race.

happyjack27 · Post by **happyjack27** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:08 pm

i hate how when news sells this kind of stuff they get it so fundamentally wrong.

they didn't break any kind of "limit" they just changed what it was that was being measured.

if the uncertainty rule was somehow broken they wouldn't even get an interference pattern in the first place.

D Tibbets · Post by **D Tibbets** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:11 pm

Comments about spelling aside, the claim, if true, could be very significant. But, linking to a subsequent page-

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 09778.html

Reveals that their claims are an extrapolation. That is far different than a real demonstration.

Dan Tibbets

Ivy Matt · Post by **Ivy Matt** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:54 pm

In Old English the word beorg/beorh meant "hill" or "mountain", while the word burg/burh/buruh or byrig (dative case) meant "fortress" or "fortified town/city". I'm not aware that the former word survived into Modern English in any form ("iceberg" is believed to have been borrowed from Dutch). The common Old English word for hill or mountain was dūn, which survives in place names containing "Down" or ending in "-don", and also in the common adverb "down". ("Dune" was borrowed from Dutch.) The various forms of burg survive in numerous British place names ending in "-burgh", "-borough", and (from the dative case) "-bury".

I don't know what "Heisen" means. If it were "Eisenberg" it would mean "iron mountain", but I don't know that the Germans are as cavalier about their initial aitches as are some other languages.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:19 pm

I dont quite know what Heisen means either and I am German. It might be some old long lost word.
It could be an old form of Eisen, but I doubt it.
Eisberg is the german word for iceberg, btw.
It is pronaunced the same way iceberg is in English.

CaptainBeowulf · Post by **CaptainBeowulf** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:28 pm

You know, I don't think I ever learned what the German word for ice is. Is it Eis? That would make sense, it would be the same root, just spelled differently.

Of course I could look in an English-German dictionary, but that would require not being lazy.