Glenn Beck's Question And My Answer

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:38 pm

seedload wrote:We are dumb

I never said that!
I said that uneducated people are easily missguided by others, e.g. someone like Hitler. That is why education is important and not just for an elite, but also for the masses. The less someone knows the more easily he can be fooled to follow some kind of scheme, especially if it promises great things that the mass does not have.
I never said that YOU were like that.

In my history the situation was somewhat different, because people had NOTHING to loose (thanks to Versailles and Saint Germaine) and Hitler promised them something better. [/quote]

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:32 pm

In my history the situation was somewhat different, because people had NOTHING to loose (thanks to Versailles and Saint Germaine) and Hitler promised them something better.

It always starts with that.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:43 pm

MSimon wrote:It always starts with that.

Exactly, AND falls promises are always believed more easily if you dont have the EDUCATION that allows you to see through them and debunk them.
E.g. if you dont know your math and have never heard even the basics of of economy, you will easily fall for some sort of pyramid game scheme. This has happened many times in the past. Heck even governments did it.
Again false promises. The uneducated fall for it.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:11 pm

Skipjack wrote:
MSimon wrote:It always starts with that.
Exactly, AND falls promises are always believed more easily if you dont have the EDUCATION that allows you to see through them and debunk them.
E.g. if you dont know your math and have never heard even the basics of of economy, you will easily fall for some sort of pyramid game scheme. This has happened many times in the past. Heck even governments did it.
Again false promises. The uneducated fall for it.

OK. Now tell me this: why are the well educated Europeans so gullible when it comes to socialism and the uneducated hick Americans so resistant?

It doesn't add up.

Scupperer · Post by **Scupperer** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:16 pm

MSimon wrote:OK. Now tell me this: why are the well educated Europeans so gullible when it comes to socialism and the uneducated hick Americans so resistant?

It doesn't add up.

It takes a lot of education to swallow socialism.

Skipjack · Post by **Skipjack** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:25 pm

MSimon wrote:OK. Now tell me this: why are the well educated Europeans so gullible when it comes to socialism and the uneducated hick Americans so resistant?

Because educated people do not think in extremes like you do. We see that you can have balance between socialism and capitalism and still live well.
Though I have to admit that socialism is often going to far in Europe (people put me on the right here). But then your hicks are falling for the other direction, usually religion of some sort (promising eternal heaven). Trading the devil for the beelzebub, if you ask me.
I am for balance in everything and dont think in black and white. The world is grey.
Call me a moderate moderate

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:33 pm

Scupperer wrote:
MSimon wrote:OK. Now tell me this: why are the well educated Europeans so gullible when it comes to socialism and the uneducated hick Americans so resistant?

It doesn't add up.
It takes a lot of education to swallow socialism.

George Orwell "Some things are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them".

That statement always cracks me up. Thanks for the reminder.

Jccarlton · Post by **Jccarlton** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:13 am

MSimon wrote:
Jccarlton wrote:
Josh Cryer wrote:
I am insulted by the "Tea Party folks" because they're ignorant, hateful, evil people. Period. When I grew up I was taught to keep politics out of work, and to be good to others. As I have aged I have found that this mindset is an exception, not a rule.
Then I take you have never been to a Tea Party. I have, and here's what I saw:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38193998@N ... 179759852/
That guy in the leather jacket, that's Art. I work with him. He came Over from Poland. If you want to hear colorful language about The One, talk to Art. He'll use words like socialist and criminal. But then he grew up in Communist, Soviet controlled, Poland. So what does he know? He's ignorant, hateful and evil, wanting liberty and to keep his property. Or maybe he just appreciates what we have and thinks it's important that we don't let people like Obama, Pelosi and Reid wreck it.
Art:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38193998@N ... 179759852/

That's Art all right. He's actually surprisingly good on the stump. Of course dealing with the realities of socialims does that to you.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:33 am

MSimon wrote:And now you know why scientists might falsify data.

I have never had a construction related accident and our work is exemplary. My own biases to not compromise my integrity because I am not the only person doing the job. Even if I dislike the job or have a negative opinion about the people I work with.

Likewise, with science, there may be some with biases who get in to the peer review (see: Lindzen), the scientific method will fix any errors with such biases.

Me? I like having a lot of money. I don't mind having little. But I'm rather odd in that respect. As your example proves.

I actually dislike money in many respects, because I am a literal individualist, I'm saving money so I can buy property and just live on it, free from a daily life of repetition outside of basic chores and hygiene. I don't mind taking out the garbage, I do mind bending over 500 times a day to do some repetitive task. I have yet to find a job that I enjoy doing, because I like doing a little of lots of different thing, but not a lot of one thing.

What do I value? Honesty. I have lost jobs over it. And you know what? I didn't give a dmn.

Being a judge of honesty is a very difficult task. I simply take everyone at their word, and if they prove to not live by it, I write them off. Tit for tat.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:45 am

Being a judge of honesty is a very difficult task.

I know honest BEHAVIOR when I see it. If a contract calls for 50 uinches of gold and the company is buying 10 that is dishonesty. If you get shown the books of said company and find irregularities that is dishonesty.

If you find some one giving the tested data output for a 12 bit A to D converter as 1003h you KNOW the data has been gun decked. And you also know the guy is not too sharp besides being dishonest.

Now I admit you probably can't tell 4,000 psi concrete from 3,700 psi concrete. And there is enough safety margin in most projects that you can get away with it. But it is still cheating.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:43 am

List the three main causes of the Civil War

Gunpowder, steel, metalworking industries.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:14 am

BenTC,

Thanks for the link to:

http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html

I just sent it to a school board member that I know. And I will give it to my mate who is a teacher.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:48 pm

Josh,

Are you claiming that the ClimateGate folks didn't falsify data?

Well I suppose you can claim they just made errors. But they claim in the e-mails that they were going to keep people with opposing views out of the debate and crowed when they succeeded. And their code looks like they just added in positive numbers to the record to "improve" the data.

And I left a link here of an interview with a scientist who was appalled with their behavior. A scientist who said from his study of the data that there was no warming.

It will all come out in time and I expect that no matter what is revealed you will still be a believer. It wouldn't be the first time that this has happened in science.

Think of Einstein. They were still disputing his findings in Germany some 30 years later. Who was it that said that the corpus of science advances with every corpse of a scientist? Or something to that effect.

I will tell you this. I have changed my opinion on the subject several times. I might change it again. But it will not be based on anything from the CRU crew and their confederates.

cuddihy · Post by **cuddihy** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:28 pm

MSimon wrote:

American education for the top 10% is excellent. We have "Advanced Placement" which combines the best teachers with the best students. And our engineering schools haven't fallen for PC. My best guess? Even socialist don't want to die in a bridge failure accident.

A better guess -- socialists know that engineers are virtually no threat to their plans, because engineers aren't very good at motivating people. If they were, they would be paid like lawyers.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:14 pm

cuddihy wrote:
MSimon wrote:

American education for the top 10% is excellent. We have "Advanced Placement" which combines the best teachers with the best students. And our engineering schools haven't fallen for PC. My best guess? Even socialist don't want to die in a bridge failure accident.
A better guess -- socialists know that engineers are virtually no threat to their plans, because engineers aren't very good at motivating people. If they were, they would be paid like lawyers.

True. Most engineers are very poor communicators. And then every now and then a guy like Tom Ligon or Anthony Watts slips through and the socialists get blindsided.