Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:14 pm
Aren't hollow points safer? Less collateral damage?ladajo wrote:This is starting to sound like arguing that Full Metal Jacketed rounds are safer to shoot people with than Hollow Points.
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Aren't hollow points safer? Less collateral damage?ladajo wrote:This is starting to sound like arguing that Full Metal Jacketed rounds are safer to shoot people with than Hollow Points.
The only way people get off their ass (generally speaking, for anyone with pedantic reflex) is if it's on fire. This leads back to Tytler cycle arguments.MSimon wrote: What I find interesting is that on one of the major topics of the day so much ignorance and misinformation abounds. It is not like tying a few words into Google and following the links is so hard.
Pretty sure the hollow point was intended to do more damage. The way a frag is more damaging than some clean concussion explosive, or some dirty blade more than a scalpel.KitemanSA wrote:Aren't hollow points safer? Less collateral damage?ladajo wrote:This is starting to sound like arguing that Full Metal Jacketed rounds are safer to shoot people with than Hollow Points.
This is the case. Seems "D" et. al. are partially anti-drug becasue of collateral damage. So that was my point.Betruger wrote:....Unless you're thinking collateral as in damage to other objects near the target. Maybe that's the misunderstanding here.KitemanSA wrote:Aren't hollow points safer? Less collateral damage?ladajo wrote:This is starting to sound like arguing that Full Metal Jacketed rounds are safer to shoot people with than Hollow Points.
There is no doubt about the damage drugs + prohibition do - at least given how some view the "problem". My point is that we will have less damage if we were dealing only with the drug "problem".KitemanSA wrote:This is the case. Seems "D" et. al. are partially anti-drug becasue of collateral damage. So that was my point. :wink:Betruger wrote:....Unless you're thinking collateral as in damage to other objects near the target. Maybe that's the misunderstanding here.KitemanSA wrote: Aren't hollow points safer? Less collateral damage?
So you can make any level of pain go away with discipline? I'm sure it is possible. But the distribution curve is against you for the vast majority.People falling for drugs is discipline problem.
I'm totally down with that.More than analogous to FMJ/HP, IMO it's akin to traditional mothering vs fathering methods
Not a single one of those studies is worth a "durned". You can't come to any conclusions from retrospective studies. You have to know the order things happened in objectively.GIThruster wrote:It's only safer if you don't mind developing cannabis psychosis and other permanent cognitive impairment.MSimon wrote:I propose that those heavy into alcohol switch to pot. It is safer.
http://priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm
There is NOTHING safe about pot.
The literature abstract for this proposed study is interesting:The article published today in "Health News" makes the claim that smoking marijuana is "linked" to early onset of mental illness.
However, although the article implies some sort of cause and effect, that conclusion has no scientific basis. In fact, the authors of the study don't even bother investigating whether marijuana use causes mental illness or if people with mental illness have a higher rate of smoking marijuana than the general public.
If marijuana caused mental illness, then cultures that have a higher rate of marijuana smoking than the U.S. should have a higher rate of mental illness. But in fact, the opposite is true. Cultures with higher rates of marijuana consumption have lower rates of mental illness than the United States. This would indicate that rather than marijuana causing mental illness, as your article implies, it is people with mental illness who are self medicating with marijuana in order to alleviate their symptoms.
This (more correct) reading of the data, however, does not fit the narrative being presented by the politicians who are making their careers by "getting tough" on marijuana smokers, nor does it fit the narrative of the manufacturers of the currently legal psychotropic drugs, like Prozac and Zoloft, who stand to lose billions of dollars if medical marijuana is legalized, and who funnel millions of dollars to those politicians who present their dubious science as fact.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/conte ... al-Illness
Funny thing: tobacco is a mild anti-depressant. So is cannabis.People with schizophrenia tend to smoke significantly more tobacco than the general population. The rates are exceptionally high amongst institutionalized patients and homeless people. In a UK census from 1993, 74% of people with schizophrenia living in institutions were found to be smokers.[96][97] A 1999 study that covered all people with schizophrenia in Nithsdale, Scotland found a 58% prevalence rate of cigarette smoking, to compare with 28% in the general population.[98] An older study found that as much as 88% of outpatients with schizophrenia were smokers.[99]
Despite the higher prevalence of tobacco smoking, people diagnosed with schizophrenia have a much lower than average chance of developing and dying from lung cancer. While the reason for this is unknown, it may be because of a genetic resistance to the cancer, a side effect of drugs being taken, or a statistical effect of increased likelihood of dying from causes other than lung cancer.[100]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_ ... obacco_use
Despite increases in cannabis consumption in the 1960s and 1970s in western society, rates of psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia remained relatively stable over time.[91][92][93] Also, Sweden and Japan, where self-reported marijuana use is very low, do not have lower rates of psychosis than the U.S. and Canada do.[94] Thus, there remains controversy over whether or not the apparent association between cannabis and schizophrenia is a causal relationship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_ ... a#Cannabis
This (more correct) reading of the data, however, does not fit the narrative being presented by the politicians who are making their careers by "getting tough" on marijuana smokers, nor does it fit the narrative of the manufacturers of the currently legal psychotropic drugs, like Prozac and Zoloft, who stand to lose billions of dollars if medical marijuana is legalized, and who funnel millions of dollars to those politicians who present their dubious science as fact.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/conte ... al-Illness
Just what are you saying here Mikey? Follow the money? Oy, vhat a concept!MSimon wrote:This (more correct) reading of the data, however, does not fit the narrative being presented by the politicians who are making their careers by "getting tough" on marijuana smokers, nor does it fit the narrative of the manufacturers of the currently legal psychotropic drugs, like Prozac and Zoloft, who stand to lose billions of dollars if medical marijuana is legalized, and who funnel millions of dollars to those politicians who present their dubious science as fact.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/conte ... al-Illness
You're all about studies until someone points out that there are hundreds that show cannabis causes psychosis. There are more studies done over the last 50 years than one can read in a lifetime, and yet you stubbornly refuse to see the facts as facts.MSimon wrote:Not a single one of those studies is worth a "durned". You can't come to any conclusions from retrospective studies.
Netmaker wrote:The health issues of smoking pot versus the use of tobacco or alcohol are negligible compared to the societal and cost issues of the criminalization of pot.
Criminalizing pot means there are huge profits to be made by selling it on the black market. Those profits go to fund larger criminal enterprises which further usurps the rule of law, increases violence, increases police/legal/prison costs and introduces "soft core" criminals into training for the "hard core" criminal world.
It's a vicious self-reinforcing spiral the result of which is that Mexico, whom we have an open indefensible border with, has practically become a failed state. Much as our exported oil money has funded violent Islamic Sects our illegal pot money is being used to fund violent narco-terrorists and corrupt our own police and judiciary.
Far better that we legalize pot and turn it from a criminal issue and into a regulated product that may result in (mental/physical) health issues over time.