It's more of an observation.Diogenes wrote: To most of you libertarian types, the notion that someone wants to "control" other people is like a religious mantra.
Actually, that's a core idea of libertarianism - People should be free to act as they choose but they and they alone must bear the costs of that action.Diogenes wrote: You completely overlook/discount the idea that people want their neighbors to act responsibly because irresponsible behavior by their neighbors ends up harming them.
His sex life isn't your problem. His refusal to pay for his children is your problem. And that's only true because you've voted for a huge government with powers not authorized by the constitution. As Rick Santorum put itDiogenes wrote: Case in point. We are all in favor of letting people have as much sex as they want, But what do you do about someone that makes their sex life into YOUR PROBLEM?
You voted to be in people's bedrooms. Don't complain about the smell.They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues.
That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I’m aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”
If the government followed libertarian principles - scratch that, even if it just followed the constitution - this guy would be deep in trouble. His failure would cause the support of his children would fall on his partners. They'd have an incentive to take him to court. Not just him either, his family and anyone else who chose to support his loser. Word spreads. If he gets a job, his employers garnish his pay. If he shacks up with a new woman, she's making herself potentially liable for his kids. Pretty soon the well is dry. No one will take him in and no one will hire him. He'd quickly find himself in the position of supporting his children or being run out of town on a rail. And the internet makes it easy for your reputation to follow you.
Unfortunately, people like you decided to spread the hurt out to the entire population of states and even the nation. Divided among the population of Wisconsin, this guy costs a few pennies every decade to support. At that cost, he's not worth the trouble of noticing. So the welfare rolls expand by a dozen, he gets a completely unenforceable court order, and my bills go up while my freedom goes down. Thanks, conservatives!
And what on earth possessed that judge to issue such a court order? What power granted by the Constitution allows this? Does the Wisconsin state constitution cover coitus? How would you support that? Will he have to wear a penis cage? Will his parole officer have to check the lock? Who holds the key? Does he have to call that person "Mistress?" Can he have anal sex? Sex with sterile women? Sex with men? Can he masterbate? Can he donate sperm?
Will the penis lock have GPS and notify the court by cell signal if he ejaculates? Only in the presence of vaginal fluid? Will Adam and Eve Adult Toys have to collaborate with Labcorp to make a suitable penis cage? If he fails to comply with the court order, can the state seize his testicles? What if he enjoys this?
And this is compatible with conservative principles?
The libertarian solution is to let people control themselves and not to let them force the consequences of those actions on other people. The liberal solution seems to be to spread the consequences among as many people as possible and then use that as an excuse for more control. The social conservative solution seems to be to spread the consequences among as many people as possible and then use that as an excuse for more control while griping loudly about the state of society. Only one of those leads to a free society.Diogenes wrote: GOD FORBID that someone should tell them to control themselves!!!!! Pray tell, what is the "libertarian" solution? That the rest of us should pay for this? I would love to hear an answer.