Rand Paul On Islam

[kcdodd]

That sounded a bit sexist.

[MSimon]

Don't be absurd. I've never gone off on holy crusade. Kite takes any opportunity to be annoying because he's had his ass handed to him so many times in the past and can't get over it.

You need to pay more attention to what people write, instead of what people write about what other people write. You're the one who is making the statement that everyone who disagrees with your view of drugs "is evil". I have never thought pro-drug people more than hopelessly confused. Again, note which of us is on crusade. That'd be the troll who perverts every thread in the forum to suit his own twisted needs, who hasn't worked in 15 years and who thinks we all owe him a living. You know, the guy who hasn't supported his family since the 1990's. . .

You make a lot of stuff personal that you shouldn't. Ready to apologize yet? You could start by saying that you know nothing of my situation. And much of the stuff you say about me is lies manufactured by your fevered imagination. And to accuse a moderator of trolling? Rich.

I have a job. viewtopic.php?p=97763#97763


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Medical Marijuana prohibition is a crime against humanity and a violation of the religious precept - heal the sick.

Changes in endocannabinoid levels and/or CB2 receptor expressions have been reported in almost all diseases affecting humans,[34] ranging from cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, liver, kidney, neurodegenerative, psychiatric, bone, skin, autoimmune, lung disorders to pain and cancer.

CB2

[MSimon]

You're the one who is making the statement that everyone who disagrees with your view of drugs "is evil".

True that. And it is my opinion. Protected by the First Amendment last I looked.

And I believe I can make it stick:

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Medical Marijuana prohibition is a crime against humanity and a violation of the religious precept - heal the sick.

Changes in endocannabinoid levels and/or CB2 receptor expressions have been reported in almost all diseases affecting humans,[34] ranging from cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, liver, kidney, neurodegenerative, psychiatric, bone, skin, autoimmune, lung disorders to pain and cancer.

CB2

[paperburn1]

That'd be the troll who perverts every thread in the forum to suit his own twisted needs, who hasn't worked in 15 years and who thinks we all owe him a living. You know, the guy who hasn't supported his family since the 1990's. . .

You make a lot of stuff personal that you shouldn't. Ready to apologize yet? You could start by saying that you know nothing of my situation. And much of the stuff you say about me is lies manufactured by your fevered imagination. And to accuse a moderator of trolling? Rich.

Not to defend Simon or his drug crusade, but what if his first mate was the primary bread winner of the family and he was a stay at home housekeeper? She had a job , how would that change things about him not "working"?
by the way your pro drug posts are just a little bit annoying and close to spamming IMHO

[ladajo]

You make a lot of stuff personal that you shouldn't. Ready to apologize yet? You could start by saying that you know nothing of my situation. And much of the stuff you say about me is lies manufactured by your fevered imagination. And to accuse a moderator of trolling? Rich.

I have a job. viewtopic.php?p=97763#97763

Well sort of job:

http://www.ecnmag.com/about-us

Not an official employee (still), unlike you claimed before. But a contract contributor.
I believe the official title is: "Technical Contributor". So I gather that does not pay much. But every dollar does count!

February 7, 2013 11:40 am | by M. Simon, Technical Contributor

http://www.ecnmag.com/topics/m-simon

How long were you a Navy Nuke for? 1 Tour on a skimmer?

[GIThruster]

. . .what if his first mate was the primary bread winner of the family and he was a stay at home housekeeper? She had a job , how would that change things about him not "working"?
by the way your pro drug posts are just a little bit annoying and close to spamming IMHO

The issue only came up because simon was busy blaming prohibition for the loss of his job. He claims he could not pass the drug test because he is unable to pee into a cup. The issue therefore is him blaming his sitting at home for a decade and a half on others, not that his wife doesn't work. Whether she works or not (I care not) he is collecting public assistance for going on 15 years, sitting at home getting stoned regularly. That was his report before he then retracted these statements and started lying about the details.

Fact is, he did not finish school, did not get his degree, did not qualify for a job in his chosen career, did not hold onto the cheezy technicain job he had, and blames all this on prohibition when the real culprit is his drug addiction, which matters more to him than working for a living.

Standard druggie behavior. This stuff is so common it is silly to even think it noteworthy. Druggies are losers. That's why we all ought to be opposed to drug use--because they destroy lives like simon's.

[williatw]

Fact is, he did not finish school, did not get his degree, did not qualify for a job in his chosen career, did not hold onto the cheezy technicain job he had, and blames all this on prohibition when the real culprit is his drug addiction, which matters more to him than working for a living.

Standard druggie behavior. This stuff is so common it is silly to even think it noteworthy. Druggies are losers. That's why we all ought to be opposed to drug use--because they destroy lives like simon's.

Those are arguments for not doing drugs not arguments for drug prohibition. You could draw a line through "drugs" and write in hard liquor the story would be the same. You yourself said that teachers enabled/helped your own drug use when you were young. Teachers supposedly trusted parts of the prohibition government run system, aided & abetted your drug use. Your case and MSIMON's case (and many other cases) are examples showing the failure of our current approach, criminalizing the behavior. Yet you seem to see them as somehow justifying the current approach producing the results you hate so much. You seem to do this by constructing a straw argument of saying that the only alternative suggested to maintaining status quo would be totally unregulated legalizing it, which I don't think anyone here has suggested or thinks is remotely likely or practical.

[MSimon]

You make a lot of stuff personal that you shouldn't. Ready to apologize yet? You could start by saying that you know nothing of my situation. And much of the stuff you say about me is lies manufactured by your fevered imagination. And to accuse a moderator of trolling? Rich.

I have a job. viewtopic.php?p=97763#97763

Well sort of job:

http://www.ecnmag.com/about-us

Not an official employee (still), unlike you claimed before. But a contract contributor.
I believe the official title is: "Technical Contributor". So I gather that does not pay much. But every dollar does count!

February 7, 2013 11:40 am | by M. Simon, Technical Contributor

http://www.ecnmag.com/topics/m-simon

How long were you a Navy Nuke for? 1 Tour on a skimmer?

How long were you a Navy Nuke for?

Long enough to qualify at A1W. Three months in "combat". I did see a bunch of NV junks while eating steak on the fantail of DLGN-25. We never were shot at nor fired a shot in anger. I did get to watch take offs from the Enterprise after mustering at quarters most mornings. Fun.

I was on deck 1500 yards off DaNang. Got to hear the arty working for about half an hour. Couldn't see anything but jungle. July 4th still brings back memories.

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They pay me as well as they can with a promise of a significant bump once the new budget is drawn up in June or July. They are limited to what the old budget can handle. It is not insignificant. But it is nothing like being a contractor either.

They tell me that I draw a LOT of traffic. And I have a fan base. I get fan letters. And every time they think I might head off for greener pastures there is a panic sending of e-mails to confirm that I haven't had a better offer.

I like the work a LOT because I like to write and it allows me to stay home to deal with a long term family medical problem - not mine. It is not a serious problem most of the time but when things get crackling I MUST be there. So it precludes me from holding a regular job.

I have never been a good employee. I don't like chains of command. ;-)

But if you have a job that needs doing I am excellent. It is how I became an aerospace engineer without benefit of a degree. Like Freeman Dyson I'm an autodidact. It is how I'm able to attack subjects where the knowledge base is limited and the teaching materials sparse. I taught myself computer science and computer engineering by reading data books.

I do believe I have paid back what I "owe" the government with interest by getting Polywell refunded. Well Dr. B and his family thanked me. I was very happy to be able (with the help of a few others) to give him that gift before he died. I'm especially gratified that it is a Navy project. Previously in the late 70s I worked on another Navy project modifying the R-1051 to use a DDS (made out of TTL since there were no DDS chips at the time) to replace at least one of the PLLs. And some code I wrote for the aerospace company (32 bit computer arithmetic on an 8 bit 8051) flew on the F-16. I originally wrote the code for the A-320. Which may still be using it if they haven't upgraded the box. But that was back in '88 so who knows? Not me. I did a second stint at that company from '98 to '00. Test eqpt design.

And all the writing I did along the way (blogging and the occasional published article since '78 including a bit in Dr. Dobbs about PLLs) opened the way for my latest career.

And of course I have a lab in my bedroom. I'm building stuff. With articles about that coming in the near future.

The best thing about my new career is that I can allocate my time as I see fit. Which really seems to get the goat of some people. Honored to be of service. My intention is to destroy the Republican Party. I think I have a good shot at it. The election of 2014 should tell the story. I think the party could be saved if Rand Paul gets the nomination in 2016. But that is a long shot given all the Social Conservatives who hate him with a purple passion.

A LOT of people think it should go the way of the Whigs. Lots of rumbling about that on the 'net these days. So I have a base to work with. And of course I do what I can to help the Democrats where I agree with them. Drives the Republicans who don't want me in their party nuts. Honored to be of service.

[MSimon]

Fact is, he did not finish school, did not get his degree, did not qualify for a job in his chosen career, did not hold onto the cheezy technicain job he had, and blames all this on prohibition when the real culprit is his drug addiction, which matters more to him than working for a living.

Standard druggie behavior. This stuff is so common it is silly to even think it noteworthy. Druggies are losers. That's why we all ought to be opposed to drug use--because they destroy lives like simon's.

Those are arguments for not doing drugs not arguments for drug prohibition. You could draw a line through "drugs" and write in hard liquor the story would be the same. You yourself said that teachers enabled/helped your own drug use when you were young. Teachers supposedly trusted parts of the prohibition government run system, aided & abetted your drug use. Your case and MSIMON's case (and many other cases) are examples showing the failure of our current approach, criminalizing the behavior. Yet you seem to see them as somehow justifying the current approach producing the results you hate so much. You seem to do this by constructing a straw argument of saying that the only alternative suggested to maintaining status quo would be totally unregulated legalizing it, which I don't think anyone here has suggested or thinks is remotely likely or practical.

The current system is totally unregulated. It is as close to the free market as you will ever see. You can arrest criminals. But you can't regulate them.

And the police say that they capture only 10% of the contraband. There is a link here confirming the 10% number.

http://classicalvalues.com/2013/01/how- ... n-america/

And worse you have the government importing drugs when they think it is in their interest and not pot. Heroin:

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/08/dubious-sources/

http://classicalvalues.com/2013/01/afgh ... -politics/

The above two posts have quotes and links.

The main trouble I see is that very few want to educate themselves about our government's real involvement in the drug trade. The idea of stamping it out is what they sell the rubes. The real objective is controlling and profiting from the trade.

WW2 in the Pacific was in part a war to control the drug trade. Vietnam was definitely part of that. Look at the above links. Or look up Hmong Tribes. It is all documented for anyone who cares to look. Very few do. It would mean giving up beliefs and illusions. And that is not a task most humans care to undertake.

I'm an engineer. I prefer reality.

[williatw]

My intention is to destroy the Republican Party. I think I have a good shot at it. The election of 2014 should tell the story. I think the party could be saved if Rand Paul gets the nomination in 2016. But that is a long shot given all the Social Conservatives who hate him with a purple passion.

A LOT of people think it should go the way of the Whigs. Lots of rumbling about that on the 'net these days. So I have a base to work with. And of course I do what I can to help the Democrats where I agree with them. Drives the Republicans who don't want me in their party nuts. Honored to be of service.

Or maybe just maybe the Libertarians would benefit if the current system goes tits up in the next few years as some posters here think is likely. They could run on that the two existing parties abject mutual incompetence destroyed the economy of the richest country on earth, time for someone else to have a chance at the tiller. Not only could the 2014 or 2016 elections produce a Libertarian surprise, but if there were a viable third party option how many Republican (or Democrat) elected representatives would start "caucusing" with the Libertarians in Congress? Say if in the wake of looming financial catastrophe the Libertarians won 50-100 seats in Congress in 2014 or 2016, and across the country in state house after state house?

[ladajo]

WW2 in the Pacific was in part a war to control the drug trade

Bullshit.

The only thing close to that was in Southeast Asia and China where we turned a blind eye to Chiang & Co. in order to gain basing and access rights to go after the Japanese.

[MSimon]

. . .what if his first mate was the primary bread winner of the family and he was a stay at home housekeeper? She had a job , how would that change things about him not "working"?
by the way your pro drug posts are just a little bit annoying and close to spamming IMHO

The issue only came up because simon was busy blaming prohibition for the loss of his job. He claims he could not pass the drug test because he is unable to pee into a cup. The issue therefore is him blaming his sitting at home for a decade and a half on others, not that his wife doesn't work. Whether she works or not (I care not) he is collecting public assistance for going on 15 years, sitting at home getting stoned regularly. That was his report before he then retracted these statements and started lying about the details.

Fact is, he did not finish school, did not get his degree, did not qualify for a job in his chosen career, did not hold onto the cheezy technicain job he had, and blames all this on prohibition when the real culprit is his drug addiction, which matters more to him than working for a living.

Standard druggie behavior. This stuff is so common it is silly to even think it noteworthy. Druggies are losers. That's why we all ought to be opposed to drug use--because they destroy lives like simon's.

The issue only came up because simon was busy blaming prohibition for the loss of his job. He claims he could not pass the drug test because he is unable to pee into a cup.

That is correct. The last time I applied for a job I couldn't take the drug test because of a condition that affects about 3% of the population.

http://www.paruresis.org/about_avoidant_paruresis.htm

Now blaming my inability to get a job on a problem I do not have is your fantasy. And a lie. And since you have yet to apologize for lying about me:

Medical Marijuana prohibition is a crime against humanity and a violation of the religious precept - heal the sick.

Changes in endocannabinoid levels and/or CB2 receptor expressions have been reported in almost all diseases affecting humans,[34] ranging from cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, liver, kidney, neurodegenerative, psychiatric, bone, skin, autoimmune, lung disorders to pain and cancer.

CB2

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GIT you are one of the most ignorant persons on this blog. But I don't blame you. I blame your alcohol consumption. -->

Dr. Roberta J. Pentney, a former researcher at the State University of New York at Buffalo, found that alcohol disrupts brain function in adults by damaging message-carrying dendrites on neurons in the cerebellum, a structure involved in learning and motor coordination. This reduces communication between neurons, alters their structure and causes some of the impairment associated with intoxication.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/23/healt ... .html?_r=0

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And of course we know the effects of alcohol on drivers. It would be safer for us all if you alkys switched to pot:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/w ... ic-deaths/

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In any case GIT you have convinced me to help the Democrats destroy the Republican Party. And I believe I can do it. My personal revenge on you. Hope you enjoy it.

Because who would want to be associated with or vote for a Party that has a significant segment against med pot after seeing this:

Medical Marijuana prohibition is a crime against humanity and a violation of the religious precept - heal the sick.

Well there is always a hard core. I intend to turn it into a hard corpse.

[MSimon]

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/08/terr ... ing-drugs/

Post 9/11 I used to ask “Do you support drug prohibition because it finances criminals at home or because it finances terrorists abroad?” Because the Taliban used the sales of Afghan opium to support their terrorism efforts. Just recently I came across this blog post on the Lame Cherry blog that confirms that and also confirms what Mike Ruppert and Catherine Austin Fitts said about how drug dealing supports the NWO.

Once you comprehend that Obama has been centralizing the world drug trade with al Qaeda and the Taliban joined by world communist regimes, one starts to see what Obama handing over Afghanistan to the Taliban again is about, and what this new pipeline into Europe is about and how dope shipments flow into America under the guise of drug interdiction.

The statement “dope shipments flow into America under the guise of drug interdiction.” is corroborated by Ruppert and Fitts. All the facts I’m aware of on the subject are reprised on the Lame Cherry blog. Which makes me inclined to buy into the rest of what she says.

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Now you probably are going to want more than that so start with this:

http://www.madcowprod.com/2012/12/21/ev ... s-dossier/

When Rudi Dekkers, the man who ran the flight school where terrorists who crashed airliners into the Twin Towers learned to fly was arrested for drug trafficking in Houston last week, one of the first congratulatory calls I received, after covering his continuing criminal activity for the past ten years, was from his son.

That’s right…his son. (Read more on our conversation below.)

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That is about the flight school owner who trained the 9/11/01 hijackers

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http://www.madcowprod.com/2012/12/14/fi ... afficking/

The long run of Rudi Dekkers, 56, the Dutch national who first passed out bunks to Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi when they arrived in the United States to enroll at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida, ended last week when he was arrested for drug trafficking in Houston.

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OK here is a 4 1/2 minute promo for the next link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNsOmWhr2cg

Ruddi Dekkers info is about 1 minute + in.

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Here is the 1 hour movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x1MqH2sZUg

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Now it didn't take me long to find the information. But you have to want to look.

Search terms:

"Mohammed Atta drugs" "Mohammed Atta Venice"

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A list of articles:

http://www.madcowprod.com/archive.htm

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It all seems pretty fantastic unless you have read Alfred McCoy's "The Politics of Heroin"

Now there is a good search term "Alfred McCoy heroin"

If you want the book from Amazon:

The Politics of Heroin

An earlier edition in pdf:

http://druglibrary.eu/library/books/McCoy/mccoy.pdf

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Well that is enough for now unless you want to read some history.

http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html

From Carl A Trocki’s excellent book, Opium, Empire and the Global Economy(1999):
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[MSimon]

Here is a good one:

http://classicalvalues.com/2011/11/why- ... ohibition/

This came out about 16 July 2003 on Winds of Change and about the same Time on Sierra Times and The Rock River Times (dead trees).

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Lots of links to other posts on the subject in the comments.

You see I have been documenting this for a long time.

[MSimon]

WW2 in the Pacific was in part a war to control the drug trade

Bullshit.

The only thing close to that was in Southeast Asia and China where we turned a blind eye to Chiang & Co. in order to gain basing and access rights to go after the Japanese.

Well since you don't know your history very well:

Opium growing in Manchuria? Japanese involvement? The Wiki has it.

The opium poppy was grown to obtain opium. In November 1932 the Mitsui Zaibatsu conglomerate held a state monopoly for poppy farming with the “declared intention” of reducing its heavy local use. Fixed cultivation areas were set up in Jehol and northwest Kirin. For 1934-35, cultivation area was evaluated as 480 square kilometres (190 sq mi) with a yield of 1.1 tonnes/km². There was much illegal growing, and its high profitability retarded the effective suppression of this dangerous drug.

“Nikisansuke”, a secret Japanese merchant group, participated in the opium industry.

This group was formed by:

Hoshino Naoki (Army thinker)
Tojo Hideki (Army politician)
Kishi Nobusuke (Merchant and right-wing supporter)
Matsuoka Yosuke (Army follower and foreign affairs minister)
Ayukawa Yoshisuke (Chairman of Manchukuo Zaibatsu)
Kuhara Fusanosuke (Right-wing thinker)

The monopoly generated profits of twenty to thirty million yen per year.

The military prohibited the use of opium and other narcotics by its troops (punishment was loss of Japanese citizenship) but allowed it to be used as a “demoralization weapon” against “inferior races”, a term that included all non-Japanese peoples.

One of the participants, Naoki Hoshino negotiated a large loan from Japanese banks using a lien on the profits of Manchukuo’s Opium Monopoly Bureau as collateral. Another authority states that annual narcotics revenue in China, including Manchukuo, was estimated by the Japanese military at 300 million yen a year.

Similar policies operated across Japanese-occupied Asia.

There are other sources.

By 1938, following their invasions of the coastal areas of China, the Japanese were in the position to declare an official monopoly over the opium trade in East Asia. As in Formosa before, the revenue poured in, with, as an example, some 8% of budget receipts coming from the sale of morphine. When supplies of British opium were eventually cut off during the late 1930s and 1940s the Japanese army in China even cultivated extensive opium plantations in Manchuria and Korea and sold the opium into China, to finance the Japanese war effort.

However, although the Japanese have come in for much well-deserved criticism over this ‘chemical warfare’, the earlier role of the British and the role of the Kuomintang-condoned Green Gang should not be overlooked.

Another source: Japan as an opium distributor.

In an article which appeared in the New York Times, under date of February 14, 1919, we read: “A charge that the Japanese Government secretly fosters the morphia traffic in China and other countries in the Far East is made by a correspondent in the North China Herald in its issue of December 21st last. The correspondent asserts that the traffic has the financial support of the Bank of Japan, and that the Japanese postal service in China aids, although ‘Japan is a signatory to the agreement which forbids the import into China of morphia or of any appliances used in its manufacture or application.’

“Morphia no longer can be purchased in Europe, the correspondent writes. The seat of industry has been transferred to Japan, and morphia is now manufactured by the Japanese themselves. Literally, tens of millions of yen are transferred annually from China to Japan for the payment of Japanese morphia. . . .

“In South China, morphia is sold by Chinese peddlers, each of whom carries a passport certifying that he is a native of Formosa, and therefore entitled to Japanese protection. Japanese drug stores throughout China carry large stocks of morphia. Japanese medicine vendors look to morphia for their largest profits. Wherever Japanese are predominant, there the trade flourishes. Through Dairen, morphia circulates throughout Manchuria and the province adjoining; through Tsingtao, morphia is distributed over Shantung province, Anhui, and Kiangsu, while from Formosa morphia is carried with opium and other contraband by motor-driven fishing boats to some point on the mainland, from which it is distributed throughout the province of Fukien and the north of Kuangtung. Everywhere it is sold by Japanese under extra-territorial protection.”

The article is rather long, and proves beyond doubt the existence of a well-organized and tremendous smuggling business, by means of which China is being deluged with morphia.

And how about Japan’s invasion of French Indochina?

At the beginning of World War 11 Indochina’s 2,500 opium dens and retail shops were still maintaining more than 100,000 addicts and providing 15 percent of all tax revenues. The French imported almost sixty tons of opium annually from Iran and Turkey to supply this vast enterprise. However, as World War 11 erupted across the face of the globe, trade routes were blocked by the battle lines and Indochina was cut off from the poppy fields in the Middle East. Following the German conquest of France in the spring of 1940 and the Japanese occupation of Indochina several months later, the British Navy imposed an embargo on shipping to Indochina. Although the Japanese military occupation was pleasant enough for most French officials who were allowed to go on administering Indochina, it created enormous problems for those who had to manage the Opium Monopoly. Unless an alternate source of opium could be found, the colony would be faced with a major fiscal crisis.

While smuggled Yunnanese opium might solve the addicts’ problem, the Opium Monopoly needed a more controllable source of supply. The only possible solution was to induce the Meo of Laos and northwest ‘Tonkin to expand their opium production, and in 1940 the Opium Monopoly proceeded to do just that.

And what do we call French Indochina today? Vietnam.

Kinda changes your view of WWII don’t it?

Now about Afghanistan?

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Go here for a formatted version and links:

http://classicalvalues.com/2012/08/dubious-sources/