williatw wrote:Diogenes wrote:And yes, i'm thinking the 19th amendment was a mistake.
Tell us Dio...how does Mrs Diogenes and your daughters if you have any feel about that?
I do not care. My Daughter is too young to have any sense, and my wife is too old to get any. They both generally defer to my judgement.
williatw wrote:
After all the 21th century (1st century where American women (& most Western women) have had the vote in its entirety) so far is allot less bloody in relative terms than the 20th Century was by now;
You have got to be kidding. From where I sit, it's looking like we are about to see the sort of bloodshed that was unimaginable in the 20th century. Iran with Nukes? And Rockets? Ya gotta be kiddin me!
williatw wrote:
near end of 1915 WWI raging eventually killing 10 million plus; Russo-Japanese war, Boer War, Genocide of the Belgian Congo (5-10 million or so). They (your womenfolk) might argue that terrorist attacks and the war(s) we have had so far pale in comparison, even though our weapons today are much more destructive than what they had. Perhaps women having the right to vote and being in more positions of power now than then might have something to do with that regardless of whatever other problems you think that has caused.
Most of the people killed in the 20th century were killed by Communists. Heavy support among women for these socialist movements.
williatw wrote:
Diogenes wrote:..... and the 26th amendment was also a mistake.
And your probably adult (or nearly adult) kids/nieces/nephews how do they feel about that one? As far as I am concerned if they are "adult" enough, "mature" enough to be expected to bear up under the worst life has to offer, i.e. combat than they are mature enough to vote.
I disagree. I've noticed a remarkable transition which occurs between the ages of 18 and 21. At 18 they tend to be cocky and know-it-all, but by the time they reach 21, they generally have a rudimentary grasp of work, bills and basic economics.
As the old joke goes, "When I was 16, my dad was an idiot. He didn't know anything. But by the time I turned 21, I was amazed at how much he had learned in those five years. "
It's not a joke. Children undergo a transformation between 18 and 21. I've seen it too many times.
williatw wrote:
Probably not a coincidence that the draft effectively ended at about the same time as those 18-20 yrs old got the right to vote.
Seriously? The only reason they wanted to vote was to end the draft. Right afterwards they went right back to tuning everything out. Their stated reasons for pushing the 26th amendment was that "If you are old enough to die for your country, you ought to be old enough to vote. "
I would have written the 26th amendment to grant the vote only to those 18 year olds who were serving in the armed forces. The D@mn teenage punk hippies could go suck donkey D*cks as far as I was concerned. The 26th was another example of the ole "Bait and Switch" tactic. They advertise it one way, and then far exceed what it was advertised as.
williatw wrote:
You can't have a de facto slave class (conscripts) if the "slaves" are allowed to vote; few people regardless of relative age/maturity would willingly vote themselves into even temporary slavery in all but name. Of course the caveat is that plenty might be willing to vote someone else into slavery as long as they were confident they were exempt; seem to recall reading that during the Civil War if you had money you could legally literally pay someone else to show up for you. Rough Rider Theodore Roosevelt's father was one of those who paid someone else to fight for him.
The Price was $300.00. Slaves of that era were going for over $1000.00 . While researching this topic for another argument I found out that during the New York Draft riots, one of rioters rallying cries was that their lives were worth less than that of slaves.
Worst riots in the nation's history.
But we have been bringing back slavery. It's been incremental, but it has made steady progress. The Fedzilla has us all shackled to the oars now, and they keep stealing the value of our money, our savings, our property, and so on, bit by bit.
In 2008 I could buy a Whataburger with Cheese for $2.52. Now it is very close to $5.00. Inflation has gone crazy. A Quart of oil was $0.85. Now it's $4.00. Milk has Doubled. My 2008 dollars are now worth almost 1/2 of what they were. ~50% taxation by stealth, and games played with the money supply.