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Most Americans at the time thought they should have shot more of them.
And in exchange for the few you shot you moved a LOT of folks to the left. I was in that milieu at the time and watched it go down. Some of them are still stuck on the left.

Drug prohibition is currently doing the same. As you know I hang out with the anti-prohibitionists and their left wing/Obama sycophancy is sickening. I'm convinced the right could peel enough of those off so it never need lose another election if it lead the charge to end prohibition.

It worked for the Democrats in 1932 and we are still suffering from that one. I'd like to see the Right do the same and reverse much of what the left has done. But they don't call the Right the stupid party for nothing.

Socialism is a religion of hopelessness. And there is no better way to make people hopeless than running a pogrom on them.
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Why beat them? They are beating themselves. Beating them only energizes them. Didn't you learn anything from Kent State?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRX4R9cYeDQ
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D,

You are no cold calculator. You are just as emotional as the left. With similar results. Fortunately so far wiser heads are prevailing. But if you have your way we will have hot heads in charge on both sides. Exactly what got us into our first civil war. Why you think another one would be beneficial is beyond me. It took us over 150 years to recover from the first one.

Leave them alone. They are robbing and raping themselves. Let it continue. Their support will evaporate.

I take it the idea of winning by doing nothing offends your sensibilities.

Sun Tzu:

Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

http://suntzusaid.com/book/3

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Post by Aslan »

Giorgio wrote:
Aslan wrote:Prejudice is for people who are retarded and terrorists. Better we judge about the present and past actions.
Well, sorry to say that, but prejudice is the base of Iranian politics at the moment.

Your leaders have prejudice against others nations delegations visiting their country:
http://www.asriran.com/fa/news/187014/% ... 8%A7%D8%AF

Your leaders have prejudice against their people participating in social websites like facebook:
http://etedaal.ir/news/15512/default.aspx

Your leaders have prejudice against your people sending SMS to each other with words like "politic" "meeting" and are screening all messages sent on mobile phones:
http://isna.ir/isna/NewsView.aspx?ID=Ne ... 007&Lang=P
http://itna.ir/vdcjthev.uqehozsffu.html

Your leaders have prejudice against your people sexual orientations and they kill them:
http://news.gooya.com/politics/archives ... 129349.php

Your leaders have so many prejudice against your people that the prisons population grows 20% annually:
http://www.kaleme.com/1390/07/15/klm-75796/


All these news are just from the last couple of weeks and are not coming from western propaganda, these are Iranian news sources.

Fix your country Aslan, the sooner you fix it and bring back freedom to your people the better the world will be.
Giargio, All of these links are supported by western governement.
Also, I did not see prejudices there, except than lies.

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Post by Diogenes »

Skipjack wrote:
Please do not judge one way.
I dont even trust my own Austrian government run TV, if it is a comfort for you (run by ultra leftist morons).
All media networks are run by Ultra leftist morons. People with talent get real jobs. :)
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Diogenes wrote:
GIThruster wrote:
Aslan wrote: I'm sure that you know. Iran could not help AQ, because of presence of Russia. But Us, why not!!!
Russia's war in Afghanistan started in 1979. Al Qaeda formeded in 1988-'89. The Taliban formed in 1996.

The US did not arm either Al Qaeda nor the Taliban for its war with Russia because there was no Al Qaeda nor Taliban at the time. Both the question, and all answers to it, are wrong.
A quibble. Lack of an official name did not make the group nonexistent. The US Funded the mujaheddin in Afghanistan, and some of them eventually combined with others to form what later became Al Qaeda. I have little doubt that some of our funding went to what eventually became Al Quaeda. Bin Laden himself fought with the mujaheddin.
Its not a quibble. The Mujaheddin were not a political force, nor political reformers like the Taliban. They did not tear down ancient statues and throw people into Shira bondage like the Taliban. The Mujaheddin were sympathetic with those handing them Stinger missiles to defend their homeland, and they certainly were not attacking non-militant targets nor anyone outside Afghanistan. The fact that some of these freedom fighters went on to attack non-combatants, outside their national boundaries, for religious reasons is entirely the result of Osama Bin Laden's ministrations.

It's anything but a quibble. The US did not put weapons in the hands of terrorists. They put them in the hands of freedom fighters, some of whom more than a decade later became terrorists. We do not however, have any incidents of Taliban nor Al Qaeda using Stinger missiles. The Afghans had apparently used them up before the end of their war with the USSR. This in complete contrast to the US having armed the Libyans and had them walk off with the weapons, and had them show up in weapons bizarres in Africa well before the revolution was over.
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Post by Aslan »

[quote="Diogenes"][/quote] Diogenes; the most of Talk-polywell members are opposed to my all comments. You did not disagree with some of my comments. Thank you.

Somtimes there are "All" against one..............

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Post by ladajo »

Aslan,
So you argue that ISNA is run by western governments?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_St ... ews_Agency

Why then would your own government complain the US is against it?

I ask that you open your view, and stop supporting your arguments with an obviously one sided and corrupt singular source of news.
If you want to argue something in the news, then draw on multiple resources. It would appear that your opinion is that the only "reliable" news is that of "presstv.ir".

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Post by Aslan »

ladajo wrote:Aslan,
So you argue that ISNA is run by western governments?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_St ... ews_Agency

Why then would your own government complain the US is against it?

I ask that you open your view, and stop supporting your arguments with an obviously one sided and corrupt singular source of news.
If you want to argue something in the news, then draw on multiple resources. It would appear that your opinion is that the only "reliable" news is that of "presstv.ir".
Unfortunately, Only PressTV has news in english and I can send it to you.
ISNA has too, but not complete.

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Post by seedload »

Why do I find the title of this thread so ironic?
Stick the thing in a tub of water! Sheesh!

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MSimon wrote:Why beat them? They are beating themselves. Beating them only energizes them. Didn't you learn anything from Kent State?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRX4R9cYeDQ
That's nonsense. You need to go read about what happened at Kent State. If the students had been arrested days before, after their first throwing beer bottles at police, they would never have gotten round to burning down the ROTC building. If they had been arrested after the arson, they would never have gotten round to rioting in the city of Kent. If they had been arrested for the rioting, burning, rock and bottle throwing, they would never have gotten round to the curfew they violated, and had they not violated the curfew, none of them would ever have been bayonetted. It was after 4 days of state emergency from an extremely violent crowd that 4 kids got shot, and what most historical revisionists gain from this is sympathy for the students.

Fact is, America does not shoot peaceful dissenters and this should be obvious with the Occupy crowd. They have however, gone way past what is peaceful protest and if they continue to degenerate in their behavior, someone is going to get shot. We've got people getting violent because they're not being provided free toilets at public expense. People being violent because they don't get free food from McDonald's when they demand it. Thousands of crazy occurrences that are not examples of "peaceful".

If the Occupy protestors continue to act out violently, it will eventually go wrong. Pretending that giving them their head will after months of this, somehow have a different result than what it has is insane. They've already weathered through snow and they have so much support they are not going to go anywhere. After all, they're not really "protesting" anymore. They're camping in public places where that is illegal and the authorities are letting them, and providing them toilets.

The Occupy protests are not going to simply go away, because the left is fanning the flames. When that group locked the Koch brothers in a building the other day, that is illegal imprisonment, and the cops stood there and let it happen. So don't wonder about what fans the flames. It's not a physical response to violence. It's lack of response that guarantees people live down to their worst level. That's where the Occupy movement is headed.
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Post by ladajo »

So what? An Australian activist was arrested (second time) when trying to penetrate the Israeli naval blockade of Gaza. Maybe he should have steered his boat towards the port suggested by Israel to allow for safe delivery of the aid supplies.

Yes, editorial commentary is called "Free Speech", and is protected by law. I personnaly think that if someone want s live and work here in th eUS, then let them do it, legitimately. The problem is that a good number of these folks do not want to do it legitimately. The whys of that are another discussion, but one well commented on by the editorial commentary. Free Speech.

Yes, when you step in to the road where the vehicle has right of way, you are wrong. So in Tehran, as I recall, it is also ok for vehilce to run over protestors, especially when it is a government one...
Also, the US is not "gripped" in protest because of "occupy wall street". And if the "violent crack down" has not been effective, it is because it does not really exist. The protestors are remaining where they are as they have nothing more useful to do than chant that they need more free stuff from the government.

And yes, Israel attacks palestinians, just like palestinians attack Israel. Although, given the demonstrated capability of the Israeli military, I would say the Israelis are acting with great restraint compared to what they could do. Let's say for instance, some irrational folks in Iraq make a cross border attack into Iran with homemade rockets and hit a school, kill some children. Or, maybe instead they send a suicide bomber to board a public bus, and blow it up. What would Iran think to do about it?

Lion,
It is clear that you are young, and also have no real depth or understanding of the real world. It also appears that you have not travelled to see much if any of it for yourself. I hope that you actually read and think about the links and comments you see here. Learn to be objective and independant in your opinions. Do not soak up those of others as your own. Make real choices as to what you base yours on.
My country, as all others, makes many mistakes. The difference is that in my country, we can all put it on the table and talk it out for an answer. In your country it appears that this is not allowed.

As someone posted earlier, are you afraid to put on a green scarf and walk in the street when your police drive by? Are you afraid to post your opinion against something your government does on a large piece of cardboard and walk down the street with it to show others?

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Aslan wrote:
ladajo wrote:Aslan,
So you argue that ISNA is run by western governments?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_St ... ews_Agency

Why then would your own government complain the US is against it?

I ask that you open your view, and stop supporting your arguments with an obviously one sided and corrupt singular source of news.
If you want to argue something in the news, then draw on multiple resources. It would appear that your opinion is that the only "reliable" news is that of "presstv.ir".
Unfortunately, Only PressTV has news in english and I can send it to you.
ISNA has too, but not complete.
There is this thing called "google translate". It is very useful to translate web pages. It is not always perfect, but it is functional.

You did not address why above you stated that ISNA is western controlled propanganda.

Maybe you should understand better your "press tv".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_TV

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Post by Skipjack »

It simply never occurred to us that there was a reasonable alternative, nor did our leadership have a good understanding of the Japanese attitude regarding their Emperor and the nearly religious devotion they had to him.
Oh please...
Both the British and the Russians were against the demand for unconditional surrender and made that very clear to the US, why.
IMHO, a demand for unconditional surrender is never a good idea. It tells the enemy that they have no other choice but to fight until the bitter end.
Seeing how badly it went for the people in eastern Germany after WW2 and the rapings and other things that went on in the parts occupied by the Russians, they were probably right with it too.
It is a known fact, that the resistance in Germany sought reassurance from the allies that they could come to an acceptable agreement for ending the war. That would have helped them turn more people in higher positions to their side. A successful removal of Hitler in 43 could have saved the lives of millions of jewish people and others that fell victim to the madman with the silly moustache.
An intact Germany would have probably also prevented half of Europe from ending up behind the iron curtain.
Of course this is all bit speculative, but it is also in line with what Sun Tsui says in the art of war.
"You can end a war quicker by giving the enemy a way out, an escape. The worst you can do is corner the enemy, because then they have no other chance but to fight with all their might until the bitter end".

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