Stuff Libertarians OUGHT to worry about more than drugs.

[Diogenes]

Well I don't care if civilization falls as long as those defending it are pogromists.

1po·grom
noun \ˈpō-grəm, ˈpä-; pō-ˈgräm, pə-\

: the organized killing of many helpless people usually because of their race or religion

You are really OUT THERE with that one.

When I see you calling for an end to drug prohibition or at least an end to the war on Cancer Cures I'll start defending the civilization you hold so dear. In the mean time if Democrats champion an end to prohibition I'm going to promote them. Sorry 'bout that.

Your life is mostly lived. Why should you care about those who come after you? So you leave them with a burnt out ruin of a nation ruled by totalitarians... it's apparently no skin off of your nose.

If there are things I should worry about more than drugs you should be leading the charge against Prohibition. 1932.

But I did a post just for you: http://classicalvalues.com/2014/01/why- ... -drug-war/

The punch line:

Marijuana Prohibition is a crime against humanity. I would bring the Republic (such as it is) down to end this abomination. Let those of you into politics take note.

The culture war is over. You lost.

You only believe this because you labor under the false assumption that the culture war is OPINION, and not based on natural evolutionary constraints.

I, on the other hand believe that the artificial conditions which currently exist will be swept away when nature pulls out her big strap on and gives us a good anal rotoroootering.

You know who loses the culture war? Those people who don't have children in sufficient numbers and with sufficient resources to capture the future. Those people who adhere to ridiculous and faddish ideas that have been repeatedly demonstrated false over the centuries. Those people who become once more enslaved by the Neo-Feudalists.


This gay shit, this drug shit, this promiscuity shit.... It's like you people think you've just discovered it or something. Nah, it's as old as humanity, and we've seen this play unfold countless times in the past.


You appear to measure success in decades. Nature measures it in generations.

[Diogenes]

ladajo,

If pot trashes brains why does the body make so many endocannabinoids? Especially between ages 15 to 25. Is your body trying to trash itself? I'm sure with your great medical knowledge you will have a very clear explanation.

Why does the body make Adrenaline? Should we dump a massive Adrenaline load on ourselves because our body makes it naturally?



As someone who knows something about controlled feedback, i'm surprised you think tampering with the engineering is a good idea.

[GIThruster]

The many times higher arrest/conviction rates for an offense where the actual rates of use are approx. the same is the evidence of racial bias. The idea that rich upper middle class white kids on college campuses get at worse university discipline when caught with/using pot rather than being held for the police so they can be arrested/convicted is the bias.

So what you're saying is, you have no reasons to believe there is said bias, but you believe there must be some statistic somewhere, that would support your theory. You don't actually know anything about the details of arrests, detentions, convictions and such, but believe there must be a bias where white kids go free and black kids don't. And you further extend this preconception past the facts, that you presume the white kids caught breaking the law are all on college campuses, as if there were no others on college campuses.

Just curious, when was the last time you were on a college campus and why would you make these assumptions?

I'm not saying there is no bias. I'm just noting that this loose handling of statistics with no information about the details of arrests and convictions, is in no way informing. If there's a problem with the system, we should fix it, but simply saying we need to arrest or convict more of a racial group doesn't seem to me to have any basis in fact. If you want to make that case, then make it. Don't supply others with your conclusion and then pretend to argue to that conclusion.

[Diogenes]

Conservative commentator, author Dinesh D'Souza indicted

"As we have long said, this Office and the FBI take a zero tolerance approach to corruption of the electoral process. If, as alleged, the defendant directed others to make contributions to a Senate campaign and reimbursed them, that is a serious violation of federal campaign finance laws," Preet Bharara, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, said in a statement.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -indicted/




Does anyone think this is anything other than a Nazi-like retaliatory tactic to punish someone who made a film critical of der Fuhrer?

Eric Himmler is on the job!


But we should be talking about DRUG LEGALIZATION instead of the Nazification of the country.

[hanelyp]

Does anyone think this is anything other than a Nazi-like retaliatory tactic to punish someone who made a film critical of der Fuhrer?

It sure smells like a politicized prosecution to me.

[MSimon]

But we should be talking about DRUG LEGALIZATION instead of the Nazification of the country.

So why do the Republicans keep the issue on the table? Seems self defeating to me given how the issue is currently polling.

Huckabee's comments on birth control gift for Dems

You know the Dems are going to go for distractions. Why give them any?

BTW isn't a drug gulag Nazification? A lot of folks seem to think so. Here is one:

Drug warrior Kevin Sabet, in his ceaseless efforts to stymie reform, is trying to frighten Americans by claiming that MJ legalization will lead to Big Marijuana, an industry reliant on creating addicts. It doesn’t seem to bother Sabet that the justice/prison industrial complex is addicted to drug prohibition in order to maintain its much expanded bureaucracy. The WOD has led to increases in the number prisons built and operated at the state and federal levels and all sorts of other expenditures. The short of it is that a lot of government jobs are dependent on drug buyers and sellers being arrested and sent through the meat grinder we call our justice system.

The drug war is a total failure and it lives only because there is so much profit in it for the cartels and so many jobs from it for the bureaucrats. Sickening.

http://classicalvalues.com/2014/01/sickening/

You wouldn't be profiting from the Drug War would you D?

And this from Salon (take yer salt pills):

For a Republican like me, the current agenda of many on the right is politically stupid and counter-productive - well his arguments are semi-incoherent. But unfortunately they are gaining ground. Why? Well "conservatives" give him plenty of ammunition. Like drug gulags. Large majorities in the country are against abortion. Which confuses Republicans because they think it means laws. And police. And enforcers.

But there is a sentiment out there that would vote Republican if they stuck to fiscal and Liberty issues. You know - smaller government.

Here is a Solon headline I particularly liked. Make GOP end the drug war
If Republicans want to pretend they're for less government, let's force them to get serious about it

You see the Rs have a problem - they claim to be for small government but don't act like it. What they act like they want is different government. Smaller here, bigger there. Which is completely different from what Democrats want which is: Smaller here, bigger there. Are you kidding me? And you expect me to buy that? With fears of the Nazis on the Left? Punishing their enemies? Jeeze. That reminds me of a Republican President. Ah. Yes. Now I remember. Nixon. Who cranked up the Drug War to punish his enemies. Among other punishment schemes. Well politics is like that. And then the worm turns.

[Diogenes]

Too many strawmen to bother with.

[MSimon]

Finding an honest politician is like looking for a virgin whore.

Or as my grandpappy always used to say: "They are ALL crooks."

[MSimon]

Too many strawmen to bother with.

But that is because you wear rose colored bifocals. Funny - they are split in the middle - the rose is to the right. But you have your counterparts on the left. All good.

Except the left has the better short term arguments. And a lot of folks are coming to the conclusion - Nazis to the left of me and Nazis to the right.

BTW I understand your fervor for the drug gulags. But doesn't the extra enforcement against blacks bother you? We could get at least another 4 million in prisons if enforcement was equal.

[ladajo]

Simon,
Seriously? You are reduced to quoting yourself and passing it off as authoritative?

Sad.

[paperburn1]

Food and Drug Administration recorded 279 deaths to which marijuana contributed. 187 of these deaths were listed as being directly related to the use of the cannabis plant itself.
These people may not have died from a marijuana overdose, but if they had not used marijuana, they might still be alive today.
Some doctors have also stated they believe the actual number of marijuana-related deaths is probably much higher because marijuana is often dismissed as a cause of death due to its “harmless” reputation, the appearance of other substances in the deceased’s toxicology reports, or routine omissions in coroners’ reports.

[MSimon]

Food and Drug Administration recorded 279 deaths to which marijuana contributed. 187 of these deaths were listed as being directly related to the use of the cannabis plant itself.
These people may not have died from a marijuana overdose, but if they had not used marijuana, they might still be alive today.
Some doctors have also stated they believe the actual number of marijuana-related deaths is probably much higher because marijuana is often dismissed as a cause of death due to its “harmless” reputation, the appearance of other substances in the deceased’s toxicology reports, or routine omissions in coroners’ reports.

And just how many deaths did alcohol contribute to? Tobacco? Seems to me if you run the numbers we should force (a grand Republican idea - also supported by Democrats) people to switch to pot. To save all those lives.

Because - you know - even Ken Sabet says marijuana is safer. Anti-Pot Activist Concedes Marijuana Is Safer Than Alcohol

If we are going to force anything (I'm against it generally) shouldn't we FORCE people to use safer drugs? If people want a smoked anti-depressant pot is safer than tobacco. If they want to relax or get "drunk" even, pot is safer than alcohol.

Me? I'd make it all available and let people choose. But if we have to go the FORCE route (how American) I'd outlaw booze and tobacco and make pot legal.

In any case the polling is running against you and the polling trends are worse (it will not move in your favor any time soon). Why go down with a losing cause when ObamaCare needs defeating?

Why are the polling trends against you? The last bastion of support for Prohibition is among the old. And the old are predominately Republican. And in case you hadn't heard the old are dying. IIRC about 1.7 million a year.

Well stupid is in many cases its own cure. People either learn from their mistakes (Alcohol Prohibition) or it kills them (politically). 1932.

Why the Republicans want to repeat 1932 is beyond me. Nostalgia is my best guess.

[ladajo]

pot is safer than alcohol

You can not say this definitively.

You can't even argue it correctly, especially given your cherry picks.
You latest is great, you reference an editorial as evidence. In fact, the editorial you reference is itself about a cherry picked statement. So that is even better!

The bottom line here Mr. Amateur Propaganda is that we(society) are still researching the effects of pot on the body. And, currently the bulk of research shows that while it may some potentially useful localized effects on specific things, the agregate effect is negative. This is what you don't want people to know. So you cherry pick the crap out of stuff, as well as patently ignore the volume of negatives against your claimed "positives".

I see that now you are claiming that your entire campaign to put all drugs on the street is an attempt to save us all from Obama and the collapse of the Republican party.

Are you seriously that deep in your delusions of grandeur? I know say you don't do drugs, but man oh man, sometimes I have to wonder about that.

Rage on dude! Rage on.

[Diogenes]

Someone Just Said Something About The Japan-China Conflict That Scared The Crap Out Of Everyone

He then explained that the general sense in China is that China and Japan have never really settled their World War 2 conflict. Japan and America settled their conflict, he explained, and as a result, the fighting stopped. But China and Japan have never really put the war behind them.

I'm far from an expert on the Japan-China conflict, and I'll leave the analyses of this situation to those who are. All I can tell you is that a respected, smart, and influential Chinese professional suggested at dinner last night that a surgical invasion by China of the disputed islands is justified and would finally settle the Japan-China conflict without triggering a broader war. And that suggestion freaked out everyone in the room.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/china-ja ... z2rc3QmVzy



Perhaps an Archduke should visit one of the Islands?

[paperburn1]

This is all about resources and who gets to control them. I understand there is enough oil/gas under that sea bed to make any country that controls it wealthy. Given china's now insatiable need for fuel I can see a conflict erupting.